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Edit- Sorry, my title was too long. It was named the Worst Car in its Category, and one of the 17 worst cars made by this writer.


So the writer slams with Avenger and the 200, with the usual laundry list of complaints, and says it's laughable when compared to the Fusion, and other cars in its class. In response, there have been a large number of comments from people who have bought or rented the Avenger who have come to its defense, and there's even a Ford Dealership Employee who said that the fit and finish on the Fusion and the Fiesta are "a joke" and that he bought his wife a 200 because it was a far better car, and value than the Fusion.

I am aghast! Here's a link if you want to see it for yourself: http://autos.yahoo.com/photos/17-worst-cars-you-can-buy-slideshow/dodge-avenger-undercuts-kia-hyundai-photo-165644235.html
 

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I think the writer read a bunch of reviews and made up a list without ever having driven the vehicles on the list.

Pathetic.
 

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...and someone who calls themselves yahoo's are to be listened to because...?
The links give them hits and credibility, and with the number of Allpar viewers, their traffic may have just doubled.
Please think before linking to idiots. ;)
 
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I didn't link the bad article when I saw it two days ago! I did link the good one after seeing the bad one linked by someone else.
 

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I have seen the same behavior on MSN auto. When they were doing the 'cut and paste' 2013 pickup truck review, they listed the base drivetrain of the 2013 Ram 1500 as the old 3.7L and 4-speed automatic.
No fact-checking or editorial review, no objectivity, no credibility. I can't be bothered with what they think that they think.





















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Unfortunately, the web business is all about the number of clicks they can generate. Yahoo is in decline, so they are desperate to generate clicks.

I use Yahoo for my email: their daily headlines are filled with sensationalism to get us to click. Yahoo is becoming the 21st century equivalent of a cheap dirty tabloid.
 

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Aldo said:
Unfortunately, the web business is all about the number of clicks they can generate, and some websites like Yahoo will do anything to get people to click.

I use Yahoo for my email: their daily headlines are filled with sensationalism to get us to click, so I don't.

Yahoo is becoming the 21st century version of a cheap dirty tabloid.
And it's really sad because before google, yahoo was (and remains) the best search engine, without the intrusiveness of google.
We just need to be selective about putting up links, as plymouth1 noted.
 

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Indeed. I may close my yahoo account altogether.
 

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The dropouts from kindergarten are at it again.
 

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The anti Chrysler propaganda machine is at it again. Gotta make sure the banks and consumers lose confidence in Chrysler or those with vested interests in the Koreans, Japanese, and Germans will actually have to play by the rules.
 

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The article exaggerates the point terribly, but the Avenger and 200 are showing some age now and due to be replaced. Despite all the upgrades a couple years ago, in many ways they are still the same as when originally released in 2006. If they were priced at the same level as the Fusion and others in this class, I would agree with the general sentiment of the article, but they are not. They are thousands cheaper, and the Pentastar-equipped models are actually fun to drive, so in the category of "bang for the buck" the 200 and Avenger do quite well. It is pretty funny that the comments - nearly all of them - disagreed with the review so strongly. That says a lot about how satisfied 200 and Avenger owners are with their cars.
 
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Aren't we getting a little bit carried away in the Yahoo! bashing?

Besides, it's just a listing by one individual, on the internet, in the form of an article. Earth-shattering, it is NOT.

And like it or not, there IS a case to say that the Dodge Avenger is a weak competitor. In order to make that case, one must ignore differences in price between competing vehicles. What makes the Avenger competitive at all is that you get a LOT of car, and sometimes engine, for the money.

But if you ignore the money aspect, then let's face it--the Avenger IS worse than the others mentioned. I've rented multiple Foci and Avengers, etc. And the Avenger IS worse in how it drives than the Focus. And it IS worse than the Dart, too. But guess what? Both of those cars feel smaller, yet often cost more.

So it all depends on what is important to the purchaser. A lot of people care most about a couple of thousand dollars when buying a car. Others care less about that (I, for example, am one of them...I generally own my cars for 10+ years. I'd rather spend more on a smaller Dart that I will enjoy more over a very long time, than on a larger Avenger, which might save me an average of $200/year over the life of the car). I'm obviously in the minority, if you look at Avenger vs. Dart sales.

BUT NEITHER POSITION IS NECESSARILY RIGHT OR WRONG.
 

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...and someone who calls themselves yahoo's are to be listened to because...?
The links give them hits and credibility, and with the number of Allpar viewers, their traffic may have just doubled.
Please think before linking to idiots. ;)
Try metacrawler sometime... thats what I use because they dont track what you search :) And it coalates from a bunch of different search engines. Its not as frilly as google or Yahoo, but it is more accurate in my experience.
 

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Aren't we getting a little bit carried away in the Yahoo! bashing?

Besides, it's just a listing by one individual, on the internet, in the form of an article. Earth-shattering, it is NOT.

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BUT NEITHER POSITION IS NECESSARILY RIGHT OR WRONG.
This doesn't discount the fact that Yahoo is desperately trying to generate clicks however possible.

Let's face it: automotive writers and publications are in the business of picking winners and losers, and a Chrysler vehicle at the bottom of the rankings is almost a cliché. This lack of general respect for Chrysler leaves its products exposed to getting bashed by "media" outlets looking for attention.

I'd argue Avenger is no worse than Corolla, yet the media always finds something redeeming to say about a Toyota, no matter how crummy it may be. Well-established consumer trust helps Toyota shield its products from most criticism.

Until Chrysler earns a basic level of consumer trust, its products will be easy pickings for any publication --including Consumer Reports-- looking to drive the number of clicks up.
 
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Well...if the shoe fits... ;)

I thought it was kind of weak that they listed the Taurus, even though by their own admission it was only listed because "something had to be."
 

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"it's just a listing by one individual, on the internet, in the form of an article"

That's like saying a front page story in the New York Times is just some prose by one individual, on recycled paper towels, in the form of an article.
I think I agree with you, but probably not for the reasons you had in mind. Recently, the NYT has had a long string of articles where they either didn't do their homework or (possibly) outright cheated, plagiarized or lied. I personally no longer trust them as an accurate news source without further verification--and that has NOTHING to do with their editorial slant (in which I haven't particularly noticed much of a change)--it has everything to do with their sloppy journalism.

Both the NYT and the Corolla are riding on their historical reputations. And the fact that the Avenger never changed names (the way the 200 did) might be contributing to its problems, albeit in the opposite direction.

But I guess MY point is that you cannot trust anything you read these days without doing your own due diligence. Sources, from Yahoo! to the NYT, are all using "sensationalist" techniques to drum up readers (remember the Tesla controversy?).

And that while we might not agree with putting the Avenger on the list, when viewed from a certain set of criteria (albeit not necessarily ours), it's not completely out of the realm of possibilities that it could be rated the worst in its class. There's a REASON the 200 is being replaced next year (and hopefully the Avenger soon afterwards)!
 

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We have to remember that "worst in class" doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad car. Midsize is a highly competitive segment.

Let's not forget, we ALL have the tendency to correlate long-in-the-tooth with "bad choice." With the few exceptions (Miata, Accord, etc.), the car that came out the latest is always assumed to be better. And the Avenger is getting quite old.

The Avenger is a spectacular value! Lots of car for the price. I'd definitely consider the refreshed Avenger. But why is it such a spectacular value? Because the demand is elsewhere...looking for the Mazda 6, Accord, Fusion, Sonata, and Optima. All cars that win over the Avenger in comparisons. Pricing doesn't change the car.

My point is that the Avenger is not a bad car by any means. However, the competition is tough and fresher. It's a little sensational to call this article sensationalism.
 
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