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We've seen how it goes.

"THE CLAWWWW"

 

[74Powerwagon]

why did they drop the Cherokee, Compass and Renegade?

trying to get out of the small/mid-size market?

Most companies seem to have a new make over/refresh of the same model name with no down time in-between.

 

[movaldes]

why did they drop the Cherokee, Compass and Renegade?

trying to get out of the small/mid-size market?

Most companies seem to have a new make over/refresh of the same model name with no down time in-between.

Compass is still available

 

[jimboy]

Same old denial of obvious facts. I know you despise the North American marketplace and brands. Your posts show nothing but contempt for it. You continue to worship a false leader.

Honestly, for a moderator, you show a lot of disdain for opinions that don't agree with your own! Whether or not you like VbD's posts or not, the poster has a valid viewpoint that is not singular here. For a "super moderator" you have a parochial and dismissive attitude towards anyone who disagrees with, or challenges your precious narrative. Is the point here to generate honest thoughtful and non prejudicial discourse or to pursue your endless poor old chrysler narrative?
If the second, perhaps you need to reconsider your position on this board?

 

[valiant67]

Honestly, for a moderator, you show a lot of disdain for opinions that don't agree with your own! Whether or not you like VbD's posts or not, the poster has a valid viewpoint that is not singular here. For a "super moderator" you have a parochial and dismissive attitude towards anyone who disagrees with, or challenges your precious narrative. Is the point here to generate honest thoughtful and non prejudicial discourse or to pursue your endless poor old chrysler narrative?
If the second, perhaps you need to reconsider your position on this board?

So posting facts is an issue for you? I know you’ve got a problem with some of my options and I’ve never attacked you.
When false statements are made, I have a right to challenge them.

 

[74Powerwagon]

Compass is still available

some reason I did not realize it was, just checked inventory of 151 of them in my area and not one has ventilated seats. but all discounted $4,000 or more

 

[Adventurer55]

Renegade was discontinued because of slow sales. If the tariffs ever get settled, I think a proper one new one would sell. Many women bought them. However with the push for them to return to the kitchen, it might not be worth the investment at this time.

 

[74Powerwagon]

Renegade was discontinued because of slow sales. If the tariffs ever get settled, I think a proper one new one would sell. Many women bought them. However with the push for them to return to the kitchen, it might not be worth the investment at this time.

all they had to do was a refresh on it, but they should have done that after the first year when they found out nobody liked it.

I remember when the SanteFe came out, magazines called it under powered and the front end was ugly, used the word bulborus on the front fenders, 6 months later it had a more powerful motor and a new front end and sales took off...

 

[Adventurer55]

At that time they had their minds, wrongly, set on another course, greed. Now, it's more of a survival course.

 

[aldo90731]

Renegade was discontinued because of slow sales. If the tariffs ever get settled, I think a proper one new one would sell. Many women bought them. However with the push for them to return to the kitchen, it might not be worth the investment at this time.

Renegade was discontinued because it was unreliable and overpriced.

Yes, I know, some on here had/have a Renegade that was reliable, but thousands of others did not.

In the end, STLA could not continue selling a vehicle that failed to retain enough customers to feed into its own future sales. Especially in a mature market like this one, and especially in a segment where Honda, Toyota, offer much more reliable alternatives at more competitive prices, and hold their value a lot better.

Key difference between Jeep, Toyota and Honda: if you do happen to need warranty work, Toyota and Honda dealers actually want to fix your vehicle; Jeep dealers want you to go away...and, somehow, come back when you need to buy another vehicle...

Yeah, that's not how this works.

 

[Adventurer55]

Renegade was discontinued because it was unreliable and overpriced.

Yes, I know, some on here had/have a Renegade that was reliable, but thousands of others did not.

In the end, STLA could not continue selling a vehicle that failed to retain enough customers to feed into its own future sales. Especially in a mature market like this one, and especially in a segment where Honda, Toyota, offer much more reliable alternatives at more competitive prices, and hold their value a lot better.

Key difference between Jeep, Toyota and Honda: if you do happen to need warranty work, Toyota and Honda dealers actually want to fix your vehicle; Jeep dealers want you to go away...and, somehow, come back when you need to buy another vehicle...

Yeah, that's not how this works.

Okay, you yelled at another for his blanket opinion. You are doing the same. Not all Stellantis Jeep dealers are like that. Mine has went out of their way to make sure I'm happy with my purchase. So, to say all dealers are that way isn't accurate. Maybe yours is/was, but mine is not and since I have no complaints about my Jeep, we would consider another one at some point. Again from a happy customer. There are a few of us on here.

 

[aldo90731]

Okay, you yelled at another for his blanket opinion. You are doing the same. Not all Stellantis Jeep dealers are like that. Mine has went out of their way to make sure I'm happy with my purchase. So, to say all dealers are that way isn't accurate. Maybe yours is/was, but mine is not and since I have no complaints about my Jeep, we would consider another one at some point. Again from a happy customer. There are a few of us on here.

Sadly, independent studies show that CDJR dealers, while they have improved a tad in the past year or two, remain largely at the bottom of the pile.

These are non-luxury brands only. Fiat fell off the study due to insufficient sample.

These are the same results from a year ago

If you have a good dealer and a good Jeep, consider yourself very lucky. Declining sales suggest you are in the minority.

 

[LouJC]

Offering a 10-Year warranty only works in support of other, more pressing, initiatives: a focus on quality, safety, value for money, and a product strategy that meets the needs of the bulk of customers in that market.

In N.A., such product strategy means a strong presence in Compact Car, Subcompact SUV, Compact SUV and Midsize SUV (2 and 3-row).

Hyundai-Kia tick all of these boxes; STLA doesn't.

BTW, Mitsubishi is a good example of what happens when you offer a 10-Year warranty by itself without all the other initiatives.

I agree 100%, although I would not put Hyundai/Kia up with the best of the Japanese as far as basic quality, there are still some problems, but they do support their customers better than Stellantis does, for sure and they advertise ALL OVER THE PLACE at least on our local cable TV network.

 

[aldo90731]

I agree 100%, although I would not put Hyundai/Kia up with the best of the Japanese as far as basic quality, there are still some problems, but they do support their customers better than Stellantis does, for sure and they advertise ALL OVER THE PLACE at least on our local cable TV network.

Yup. Agree that Hyundai-Kia quality is not on par with that of Toyota or Honda. But they keep at it, and they support their efforts with quality-focused marketing messages, and that 10-year warranty.

That is a lot more than whatever Stellantis is doing.

 

[Adventurer55]

I agree 100%, although I would not put Hyundai/Kia up with the best of the Japanese as far as basic quality, there are still some problems, but they do support their customers better than Stellantis does, for sure and they advertise ALL OVER THE PLACE at least on our local cable TV network.

The thing with Hyundai/Kia is Stellantis should use their model, minus all their junk engines to improve. It'll take time, but the seeds need to be planted starting now.

 

[74Powerwagon]

Ford Toyota Hyundai. Kia and VW are below Jeep which is above the average line.

We have had very little issues with our Grand Cherokee, from 1993 on, we did skip the cervelus years. we had a GC but did not buy a new one during that time

 

[Dave Z]

Car companies with poor quality can get a better rep by pretending they have good quality and advertising it nonstop - some of Ford's worst cars were made during the "Job One" campaign.

 

[Adventurer55]

Car companies with poor quality can get a better rep by pretending they have good quality and advertising it nonstop - some of Ford's worst cars were made during the "Job One" campaign.

You mean kinda like now apparently?

 

[Adventurer55]

Okay, to be proper here, the "former" Chrysler Corp brands here don't help themselves much. Instead of preaching the American flag, which is a bit of a stretch, they should be talking about their warranty and the Hemi's return. But they aren't much.

 

[Dave Z]

FWIW, the up went back down, as they so often do. Maybe one company decided to buy a ****load of STLA shares and drove the price up slightly. Maybe the fools who speculate based on graphics bought in until the pattern changed to a classic stop buying pattern. Maybe it was briefly attempting to be a meme stock. Who knows why the market does what it does, day to day? Nobody really knows, people on finance news just assert their guesses as though they're real, just as political journalists assert their guesses as to politicians' motivations as though they know what's in someone else's head and/or the stated explanation is always the real one.

You can see that the bounces like yesterday's are not unusual. The overall trendline is bad. The 52 week high was $16.29 and now they're at $9.32. The five year high was around $29.51.

GM, by comparison, is way up, but you'll notice there, too, they have sudden gains and losses that quickly disappear.

Here's GM five years. Not sure when Barra said they were making operational profits on EVs. An actual profit including engineering costs would be incredibly hard this early in the Ultium lifecycle. As a reminder, Chrysler nearly went bankrupt on what they had to spend just for a four-cylinder FWD gasoline car, and it took them a few years to pay that off though it was in the heart of the market and a runaway success.