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Dave Z

Discussion Starter · 15 d ago

STLA investing in lithium-sulfur battery which avoids nickel, cobalt, manganese

Lyten’s batteries do not use nickel, cobalt, or manganese, slashing their carbon footprint to 60% of today’s best-in-class vehicle batteries. Raw materials for Lithium-Sulfur batteries can be sourced and produced in North America or Europe, avoiding supply chain disruptions. They also have the potential of doubling the energy density of current lithium-ion systems; and their new sensing modes do not require chips, batteries, or wires. [Read more…]

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Cleffy

· #2 · 15 d ago

They have been discussing solid state for a while, but still no commercial use. It will be a while before this technology reaches commercial use.
I do think the concept of 3D graphene was a bit funny. I thought the main point of graphene is that it was a single layer of carbon, otherwise it would be graphite. I am sure there is a reason it's considered graphene that I glanced over.

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Dave Z

Discussion Starter · #3 · 15 d ago

Cleffy said:
They have been discussing solid state for a while, but still no commercial use. It will be a while before this technology reaches commercial use.
I do think the concept of 3D graphene was a bit funny. I thought the main point of graphene is that it was a single layer of carbon, otherwise it would be graphite. I am sure there is a reason it's considered graphene that I glanced over.

Yes, solid state has had no commercial use but several automakers expect to have vehicles using it in the next 2-5 years.
Y'know, it's not like fusion — a perennial 20-years-in-the-future technology. Lithium-ion was considered a future technology before it arrived. Solid state's still pretty new. The 3D graphene thing, whatever it might be, does work.

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codypet

· #4 · 15 d ago

This is my justification for leasing. Solid state batteries, lithium sulfur, sodium batteries for home install. There's a technology revolution here and I just figure leasing is the best course until the dust settles.

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Dave Z

Discussion Starter · #5 · 15 d ago

I can't argue with that. There is a technology revolution. I admit I'm sitting it out for the moment but I don't put that many miles on these days.

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mopar4wd

· #6 · 15 d ago

Cleffy said:
They have been discussing solid state for a while, but still no commercial use. It will be a while before this technology reaches commercial use.
I do think the concept of 3D graphene was a bit funny. I thought the main point of graphene is that it was a single layer of carbon, otherwise it would be graphite. I am sure there is a reason it's considered graphene that I glanced over.

I can't find the articles now but I'm pretty sure there has been some commercial sales of solid-state batteries but in small format. I think a few medical devices use them and I could have sworn there was a smart watch startup last year that used solid state but I can't find it now. But yeah no cars.

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Cleffy

· #7 · 15 d ago

Most of the EVs right now are consumer level products that will be disposed of within 2 decades. I am sure when there are EVs that have collectible quality styling, they won't be lease vehicles.

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codypet

· #8 · 15 d ago

Cleffy said:
Most of the EVs right now are consumer level products that will be disposed of within 2 decades. I am sure when there are EVs that have collectible quality styling, they won't be lease vehicles.

Most cars I'd say get disposed of in 2 decades.

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Dave Z

Discussion Starter · #9 · 15 d ago

I don't know of any automaker that engineers cars to last over two decades. As for “collectible quality styling,” that’s an opinion. Rivian Air strikes me as quite well styled.

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mentalicca

· #10 · 15 d ago

Dave Z said:
I don't know of any automaker that engineers cars to last over two decades. As for “collectible quality styling,” that’s an opinion. Rivian Air strikes me as quite well styled.

I think you mean Lucid, right? If so, I 100% agree. I was at a friend's dinner event Tuesday, and the restaurant owner had his new Lucid Air parked out front. It was sharp.

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77 Monaco Brougham

· #11 · 15 d ago

mentalicca said:
I think you mean Lucid, right? If so, I 100% agree. I was at a friend's dinner event Tuesday, and the restaurant owner had his new Lucid Air parked out front. It was sharp.

In a better Alternate Universe, the Lucid Air would instead be the very latest model Chrysler Imperial!

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77 Monaco Brougham

· #12 · 15 d ago

Dave Z said:
STLA investing in lithium-sulfur battery which avoids nickel, cobalt, manganese

Lyten’s batteries do not use nickel, cobalt, or manganese, slashing their carbon footprint to 60% of today’s best-in-class vehicle batteries. Raw materials for Lithium-Sulfur batteries can be sourced and produced in North America or Europe, avoiding supply chain disruptions. They also have the potential of doubling the energy density of current lithium-ion systems; and their new sensing modes do not require chips, batteries, or wires. [Read more…]

In other news
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Ram intends to have a 500-mile EPA-estimated range on its Ram 1500 REV next year; but the 2024 Chevrolet Silverado is set to arrive this year, and its pricing has already been announced (unlike Ram’s). The 2024 Silverado EV work pickup, aimed at fleet buyers, will be able to run 450 miles on a charge, according … Read more

Graphene derived from Methane is not something brand new just cooked up by Lyten.
The Australian company Graphene Manufacturing Group has had its own proprietary version for years, which will be one of the ingredients in their upcoming Aluminum Ion battery:

Graphene Manufacturing Group | GMG

graphenemg.com

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Cleffy

· #13 · 15 d ago

I like the look of Alpha Motors vehicles, but they are still vapor ware until they release a product.

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Dave Z

Discussion Starter · #14 · 15 d ago

77 Monaco Brougham said:
Graphene derived from Methane is not something brand new just cooked up by Lyten.
The Australian company Graphene Manufacturing Group has had its own proprietary version for years, which will be one of the ingredients in their upcoming Aluminum Ion battery:

That's good because it means that it's not just marketing

As for solid state, I was pondering the idea that "it can't work because it's only used for little stuff" for a moment or two when I remembered that lithium batteries were only used for little stuff until they were in cars. That's how things work...

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