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TFL''s first look at the Hornet R/T

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They had to be careful about not giving any actual "driving" impressions yet. And I find it interesting that this "fully optioned" one had non ventilated Alcantara seats indtead of ventilated leather seats...and that it had a sunroof delete. I'm still interested but I also wonder just how fast the cash is going to pile up on the hood, maybe I should wait.

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Hornet will remain PHEV/BEV into the future.

The video told us nothing we didn't already know.

It was smart to wait until the PHEV version was available to launch the Hornet. FCA would have done it the other way and people would be scratching their heads.
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It has like 280 hp and 350 or 380 tq in r/t form for a little crossover. Plus 30 mile electric range. Specs on paper look not bad. I feel like charger/challenger guys are giving their thoughts here. As long as quality control is kept on check and pricing is right whether it needs incentives at some point, it moves the bar in the mid size crossover market.
Quality will be a big key. Unfortunately, pricing for the R/T (PHEV) goes over $50k for a Corolla-Cross size vehicle.
There would be nothing wrong with non-performance Dodge vehicles. They sell them already. It is called the Pentastar Charger/Challenger.

Hornet does not have the equivalent. They are all performance.

A fully loaded Hornet with just the 1.5T below $30k would be a big winner.
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Considering even the Europeans are complaining about that powertrain I don't think it would fly in the US. I think at minimum it would need to be the de-tuned 2.0T that the Compass uses. WHich would compete with...wait for it...the Compass. ;) Frankly, CJDR trying not to compete with themselves is smart.
What is funny is that the de-tuned 2.0T is still under powered compared to the competition.

Bronco Sport and Escape have a 2.0T with 250 horsepower. They are very peppy. They make the Compass look like a lethargic econobox.
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Internal competition would make sense if Jeep already didn't want to fight itself with scenarios like the Renegade/Compass/Cherokee and commit to that for years.
The Compass/Tonale/Hornet could 100% share the same drivelines and hit different parts of the market with ease: the Tonale pretty much dances with Infiniti/Lexus/Acura, the Hornet tangles with the big players Toyota/Honda/Hyundai, and the Compass is right with the Bronco Sport in a group of its own.
Yes, and Chrysler could go up against Ford, Chevy, Buick, etc.

I think Hornet goes up against Mazda and Acura while Tonale goes up against Lexus/Infinity. But much of this is subjective. Jeep has gone up against Land Rover for a long time even though Land Rover was more premium.
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I really don't care if Dodge or Chrysler cover the lower market as long as someone does.

The higher trims of Dodge can be performance and the higher trims of Chrysler can be near luxury.

But watching these brands abandon the meat of the market when people are resisting the higher prices is a suicidal strategy.
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Chrysler should be the volume brand with low price, high fuel efficiency trims up to near luxury trims.

Dodge will die as performance only as a result.

That is why Ford, Chevrolet and Toyota are all volume brands with pickups.

But re-combining Ram and Dodge is not going to happen.

Feuell is targeting Chrysler to be a "startup". To me this means a whole new image.....which is possible because it has no image currently except among those who remember the past.
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Dodge didn't abandon any markets... they were ignored by Sergio and the F in FCA. American brands were milked of their profits to prop up Fiats Maseratis and Alfaromeos with no investment put back in. They continued with a model until it had to be killed due to all competition leaving it in the dust... the Daimler rape and pillage continued under FCA after some lipstick and a hot shower freshened the offerings..
Dodge and Chrysler got no investment and to Sergio's chagrin, rebounded in sales after the 2009 collapse.

Instead of realizing that these brands still had value, Sergio then stripped them of product, refused to refresh product with minimal investment and then lying to everyone about the new product that was coming.

The greatest bait/switch was that Alfa needed Dodge volume. Money was diverted from Chrysler/Dodge into the Giorgio platform that did not spawn a single Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep. This further weakened the brands and the resulting Alfa product was such a cheaply engineered garbage of low quality that it is another bleeding brand in the lineup.
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Plus i wouldnt want the same Team working the Hornet to be alongside a 1500. Thats one benifit for splitting the 2 brands. Ram has its own CEO, its own design team, its own R&D.
Car engineering and Jeep/Truck engineering were always separate before FCA.

Now we have poorly engineered cars and poorly engineered Jeeps.
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We can be happy that the Hornet and revised Compass are the last two mostly FCA vehicles for Dodge and Jeep.

The coming vehicles for Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep will all be on STLA platforms.

FCA powertrains (2.0T, 3.0T) will continue for a while.
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New Maserati Granturismo folgore ev....on giorgio family. Like Jeep Grand Cherokee....and Dodge Charger srt banshee. Etc: Recon, Wagoneer S. R&d costs of these models will be amortized across maserati and n american models....but the stuff is ALREADY ready....by maserati innovation centre. Also Upcoming Ram 1200 on susw4x4...mainly engineered and developed at exFCA Brazil. Etc PSA has zero expertise to add to usa grade stla large and stla frame: those will remain evolutions of exFCA engineering like the excellent giorgio family, the gme engines....since PSA is a small- eurocar fwd small turbo engine etc maker. The merger was about gaining scale economies in europe esp for electrification and for a sustainable relaunch of new euro alfa s fiat s and euroJeeps(like new avenger 4xe). Future stla small and stla medium are where psa's low cost atscale value engineering will be at play: even excellent exFca latam will move to psa centric platforms: fiat and citroen europe will eventually be sharing the 'same' platform variants with fiat+jeep brazil...but with the exfca gse engines (made in brazil) plus ev motors for europe. Btw exFCA was and remains bigger and stronger financially than exPSA (mainly usa and latam plus maserati)
Jeep Grand Cherokee is not on Giorgio. Please stop spreading this false information. The chief engineer confirmed there is zero commonality and WL is all-new.

Giorgio is not the basis for STLA Large either. It is a clean sheet.

The heavy modifications to Giorgio to accommmodate the Folgore are such that the costs could only be buried in expensive Maseratis. That is why no other vehicle will come from Giogio (confirmed by engineers). The platform was not designed for electrification (confirmed by engineers).

Your knowledge is not correct. Please do not spread such things here as Allpar is a place of FACT.

Lastly, Prabhjot, all brands will consolidate on the 4 platforms, globally, something FCA was never capable of doing from an engineering perspective.
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Well tavares at last earnings call said that they have slashed new model development costs through the merger....for usa not just europe ie., the new maseratis ARE the architecture family from which stla large esp ev . in previous earnings calls manley and marchionne too made explicit that n american rwd models esp ev would b based on giorgio evolutions, and why not?.....the lx lh platform and evolutions (including maserati ghibli qp levante) did need replacing in any case esp for ev s. Psa and fiat brands have no need for stla large and conversely susw andor stla medium models areof no use for usa manufacture andor brands other than compass etc. Stellantis chief engineering officer remains harald wester....under whom giorgio and maserati innovation centre have developed and will evolve engineering wise stla large. Gilles remains in charge of dodge and jeep and maserati styling, kuniskis of dodge. Tavares will focus only on cost cuts?! He was already boasting of cost takenout of usa plants....;-)
Enough of your nonsense! Stop lying.

Imparato himself said “We are working on the Large platform of Stellantis and we will no longer use the Giorgio,”

Alfa Romeo To Ditch Rear-Drive Giorgio Platform For New EV Underpinnings From Stellantis | Carscoops
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