[Adventurer55]

Yeah. It's definitely hindering Ford, GM, and Toyota.

And I mean, let's just ignore the fact that the Wagoneer is built completely on the 1500 architecture.

I still recall the arguments that splitting RAM off from Dodge "freed" the Dodge designers from the Ram's Head logo and the crosshair grille... And looking at many of the Ram models today we see... no Ram's head and no crosshair grilles.

And until now, no new products. What have the stylists been doing for 10 years.

 

[jsucha]

And until now, no new products. What have the stylists been doing for 10 years.

They have been busy throwing away 25+ years of the Ram brand recognition by dumping the crosshairs.

 

[npaladin2000]

And until now, no new products. What have the stylists been doing for 10 years.

Being inspired by Jay Leno? I say that in jest, but it does actually work, and he's a car guy, so why not? We do need new models to put Jay Leno's Chin(TM) on though.

 

[tdkleffman]

 

[npaladin2000]

He's informative but so formulaic... and he kinda reminds me of a car salesman.

 

[sickboy]

Exactly. Nobody currently driving a Hellkitten, Scat Pack, R/T, SRT, TRX, etc gives a rat's *** about turbo engines, small engines, electric motors, etc. What are all of those people supposed to do in a few years, shop other brands?

Nobody? did you even ask all of us? Because I am very interested in a turbo 6 and electrification.
My house hold has 3 cars in circulation. Only one of them is a 392. And if I had the option to change my “fleet” to all hemi, I would NOT.
I would venture that most people NEED a more practical car. Whether or not they own a v8 as well.

The hemi is dodges biggest problem. It is the life raft they’re clinging to. Everything else was thrown overboard and now what? While everyone else moves on, they dig in, when every one else folds, they double down. I don’t see how that could be a good strategy.

 

[npaladin2000]

Nobody? did you even ask all of us? Because I am very interested in a turbo 6 and electrification.
My house hold has 3 cars in circulation. Only one of them is a 392. And if I had the option to change my “fleet” to all hemi, I would NOT.
I would venture that most people NEED a more practical car. Whether or not they own a v8 as well.

The hemi is dodges biggest problem. It is the life raft they’re clinging to. Everything else was thrown overboard and now what? While everyone else moves on, they dig in, when every one else folds, they double down. I don’t see how that could be a good strategy.

This. Frankly i love the Hurricane engine line. It's flexible. It can be a longitutinal V8 replacement (yes, it can, get over it) in high output 6-cyl guise, and if you chop off two cylinders you've got two transverse compact engines (high output in the Hornet, low output in the Compass AFAIK). Maximum value from the investment, which is what Stella needs. I wonder if it has reasonable power without a turbo, that would be a third option for each block.

 

[mentalicca]

Nobody? did you even ask all of us? Because I am very interested in a turbo 6 and electrification.
My house hold has 3 cars in circulation. Only one of them is a 392. And if I had the option to change my “fleet” to all hemi, I would NOT.
I would venture that most people NEED a more practical car. Whether or not they own a v8 as well.

The hemi is dodges biggest problem. It is the life raft they’re clinging to. Everything else was thrown overboard and now what? While everyone else moves on, they dig in, when every one else folds, they double down. I don’t see how that could be a good strategy.

Count me in too. The hurricane is the reason I am actually considering switching from my SRT Durango to a Wagoneer (not even the Grand). I would like a "Powered by SRT" vehicle to always be in my fleet (3 cars too), but the allure of nearly as much power and torque, but regular octane and 25-50% better fuel mileage is hard to pass up. I really hoped we would see a Hurricane Durango soon (if at all), but it won't happen in my potential purchase timeframe.

 

[Lone Bone]

Nobody? did you even ask all of us? Because I am very interested in a turbo 6 and electrification.
My house hold has 3 cars in circulation. Only one of them is a 392. And if I had the option to change my “fleet” to all hemi, I would NOT.
I would venture that most people NEED a more practical car. Whether or not they own a v8 as well.

The hemi is dodges biggest problem. It is the life raft they’re clinging to. Everything else was thrown overboard and now what? While everyone else moves on, they dig in, when every one else folds, they double down. I don’t see how that could be a good strategy.

100% I've had every Grand Cherokee but the ZJ... I use to scoff any non V8 Grand.. but I am blown away by the performance of the 2.0L in the new WL. Maybe I'm getting old... haha

 

[AdventurerSport]

Sold over 100,000 units a year in 2015 and 2016.

The 2011 "refresh" was so significant I'd venture to call it a new generation. If they'd have done another refresh in 2016 it really could have remained competitive without severe discounts. It needed a new transmission (the 6 speed was poorly matched to the Pentastar and it really impacted the fuel efficiency), some tech updates, and a styling refresh (it still had halogen reflector headlights up to its last year). Given what they've done with the Charger between 2011 and now, I think they could have done a lot with the bones of the Journey.

I agree. They could have updated the Journey to the CUSW platform in 2016 and it could have been built in Belvidere alongside the Cherokee. That would have allowed for the 9 speed auto and updated AWD system, and they could have even used the 3.2L as the V6 option, allotting more 3.6s to larger cars and SUVs. That would have also allowed for the updated dash, bigger touch screen/updated SAT NAV, Apple/Android car play, etc. Much like the PT Cruiser, it was simply built the same until the end and allowed to wither away and die, a remnant of the older styling cycle.

JS

 

[sickboy]

i am not looking to buy anything compact anytime soon, but I am excited dodge is filling out their line up.
and, as I understand, the rt will be the muscle car of the segment. it Looks to outperform its competition and hopefully do it in A fun and raucous manner. and hopefully this will lead towards a stable future. Remember how close this company was to death? it wasn’t that long ago, and there is a lot of recovery left to go

 

[tomaz]

I agree. They could have updated the Journey to the CUSW platform in 2016 and it could have been built in Belvidere alongside the Cherokee. That would have allowed for the 9 speed auto and updated AWD system, and they could have even used the 3.2L as the V6 option, allotting more 3.6s to larger cars and SUVs. That would have also allowed for the updated dash, bigger touch screen/updated SAT NAV, Apple/Android car play, etc. Much like the PT Cruiser, it was simply built the same until the end and allowed to wither away and die, a remnant of the older styling cycle.

JS

Obviously the Platform was not a good Platform fit for a Crossover (as it works best as a Minivan)

 

[serpens]

Obviously the Platform was not a good Platform fit for a Crossover (as it works best as a Minivan)

Was the Grand Commander bad then? I feel like that could've been a Journey or Chrysler crossover. Regardless, minivan platforms are used for crossovers all the time. Honda is thrilled with Pilot and Passport sales.

 

[77 Monaco Brougham]

i am not looking to buy anything compact anytime soon, but I am excited dodge is filling out their line up.
and, as I understand, the rt will be the muscle car of the segment. it Looks to outperform its competition and hopefully do it in A fun and raucous manner. and hopefully this will lead towards a stable future. Remember how close this company was to death? it wasn’t that long ago, and there is a lot of recovery left to go

I assume you mean the FCA part. After all, the very solid financial position of Groupe PSA was probably the biggest factor in FCA's mad dash to the altar.

Yes...There is a lot of recovery left to go, and to me, the lion's share of it is cleaning up the hot steaming mess left behind by the FCA part!

 

[Erik Latranyi]

We can be happy that the Hornet and revised Compass are the last two mostly FCA vehicles for Dodge and Jeep.

The coming vehicles for Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep will all be on STLA platforms.

FCA powertrains (2.0T, 3.0T) will continue for a while.

 

[77 Monaco Brougham]

We can be happy that the Hornet and revised Compass are the last two mostly FCA vehicles for Dodge and Jeep.

The coming vehicles for Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep will all be on STLA platforms.

FCA powertrains (2.0T, 3.0T) will continue for a while.

Just wondering......If the marriage had taken place...say...two or three years earlier, ?Would the combined entity have bothered to continue development on the 3.0 Litre I-6, and instead just perform a few more tweaks...(direct injection, electric turbocharger, etc.) to the 3.6, and leave it at that? Could they have achieved significant cost savings?

 

[vBD]

New Maserati Granturismo folgore ev....on giorgio family. Like Jeep Grand Cherokee....and Dodge Charger srt banshee. Etc: Recon, Wagoneer S. R&d costs of these models will be amortized across maserati and n american models....but the stuff is ALREADY ready....by maserati innovation centre. Also Upcoming Ram 1200 on susw4x4...mainly engineered and developed at exFCA Brazil. Etc PSA has zero expertise to add to usa grade stla large and stla frame: those will remain evolutions of exFCA engineering like the excellent giorgio family, the gme engines....since PSA is a small- eurocar fwd small turbo engine etc maker. The merger was about gaining scale economies in europe esp for electrification and for a sustainable relaunch of new euro alfa s fiat s and euroJeeps(like new avenger 4xe). Future stla small and stla medium are where psa's low cost atscale value engineering will be at play: even excellent exFca latam will move to psa centric platforms: fiat and citroen europe will eventually be sharing the 'same' platform variants with fiat+jeep brazil...but with the exfca gse engines (made in brazil) plus ev motors for europe. Btw exFCA was and remains bigger and stronger financially than exPSA (mainly usa and latam plus maserati)

 

[Erik Latranyi]

New Maserati Granturismo folgore ev....on giorgio family. Like Jeep Grand Cherokee....and Dodge Charger srt banshee. Etc: Recon, Wagoneer S. R&d costs of these models will be amortized across maserati and n american models....but the stuff is ALREADY ready....by maserati innovation centre. Also Upcoming Ram 1200 on susw4x4...mainly engineered and developed at exFCA Brazil. Etc PSA has zero expertise to add to usa grade stla large and stla frame: those will remain evolutions of exFCA engineering like the excellent giorgio family, the gme engines....since PSA is a small- eurocar fwd small turbo engine etc maker. The merger was about gaining scale economies in europe esp for electrification and for a sustainable relaunch of new euro alfa s fiat s and euroJeeps(like new avenger 4xe). Future stla small and stla medium are where psa's low cost atscale value engineering will be at play: even excellent exFca latam will move to psa centric platforms: fiat and citroen europe will eventually be sharing the 'same' platform variants with fiat+jeep brazil...but with the exfca gse engines (made in brazil) plus ev motors for europe. Btw exFCA was and remains bigger and stronger financially than exPSA (mainly usa and latam plus maserati)

Jeep Grand Cherokee is not on Giorgio. Please stop spreading this false information. The chief engineer confirmed there is zero commonality and WL is all-new.

Giorgio is not the basis for STLA Large either. It is a clean sheet.

The heavy modifications to Giorgio to accommmodate the Folgore are such that the costs could only be buried in expensive Maseratis. That is why no other vehicle will come from Giogio (confirmed by engineers). The platform was not designed for electrification (confirmed by engineers).

Your knowledge is not correct. Please do not spread such things here as Allpar is a place of FACT.

Lastly, Prabhjot, all brands will consolidate on the 4 platforms, globally, something FCA was never capable of doing from an engineering perspective.

 

[Tomguy]

I don't know what to think of the Hornet. As an enthusiast, I find it to be too much money for a compact crossover that doesn't even have 350+ horsepower. But at the same time, I can't help but feel that buyers looking to move out of underpowered Subarus with NA 4 cylinders and CVTs will eat this thing up. I suppose time will tell. I have no interest in it, but then again there aren't many people who enjoy the undeniable practicality and performance of a RWD sedan with excuses like "It's not AWD" or "It can't fit 7 people and my dog and tow my trailer while it drives itself!" Or the more common "I'm too fat to get in a car, I need a lifted vehicle"

 

[npaladin2000]

there aren't many people who enjoy the undeniable practicality and performance of a RWD sedan with excuses like "It's not AWD" or "It can't fit 7 people and my dog and tow my trailer while it drives itself!" Or the more common "I'm too fat to get in a car, I need a lifted vehicle"

I just refuse to buy something with a trunk. I was all set to get a WRX...right when they got rid of the hatch. Checked out the Juke, kinda fun, but not comfortable and I hated the CVT. There really hasn't been much in this segment, the Mitsu EVO is long gone. I'm happy to see someone exploring the segment again, and I'm happy it's Dodge. Dodge frankly needs niches where they can excel with and isn't a lot of competition. Even SUbaru is kind of edging away from it, the WRX is kinda turning into a touring car. I just hope the reason there isn't much in the segment isn't because people don't want them. But I'm a people, and I want one.