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In the states, it doesn't make as much sence to have a Diesel model as in other parts of the world. Prices are too far offset from gasoline, and to make up the difference you have to drive. A lot.
I agree. I think that the likely hood of a 300/Charger/Challenger diesels would likely come in the next generation versus this one with only a couple of years left.TWX said:I would be surprised if it appeared in North America at this late of a point in the production of the car. The platform debuted in 2004 for the 2005 model year and is now nine years old, I would be very surprised if they choose to try to emissions-certify it for a non-truck vehicle without having many more years of manufacturing of that chassis.
I think that, capacity wise, it may be difficult to get enough engines.69DartGTS said:Buy the looks of things, I think Each Chrysler Brand should get a 3.0 Diesel option.... Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Ram 1500. question is can they make enough for them to put in the cars? Ram getting the most Diesels over Jeep cause of its Image as Commercial/ personal Work truck?
I would hope that from a crash perspective it's already good to go as it is sold that way overseas.Sir Moses Wellington said:Just a reminder from the engineers, you can't just drop a diesel in. You have to do crash testing as well as many other adjustments to the design to make it work for a new engine.
Putting a 3.0L Diesel in a 200, while neat, would probably be overkill.Bran said:VM 3.0 is an overkill for cars especially when paired with ZF 8 or 9 speed. And there is no way you will see it in the 2015 Chrysler 200.
Mercedes went from 3.0 V6 to 2.1L I4 for the 2014 E-class diesel.
BMW went from 3.0 V6 to 2.0L I4. (2012 335d --> 2014 328d)
IMO, they should put Fiat 2.0 biturbo diesel in 300, and Fiat 2.0 turbo in 200.
2.0 biturbo 200HP, 320 lb ft
2.0 turbo 170HP, 265 lb ft
But I guess they won't rush any more diesels. They will wait to see what happens with a Promaster, Ram 1500 and Grand Cherokee.
Looking over the AAA Daily Fuel Gauge Report I see quite a difference on the cost of diesel vs gasoline in various states. I imagine the difference is mostly due to tax levels. A few places list diesel as near premium gas prices, but here in CT it is quite a bit higher. IMO CT taxes diesel fuel like all diesel vehicles are heavy trucks, very unfair to diesel automobile owners.Sir Moses Wellington said:In the states, it doesn't make as much sence to have a Diesel model as in other parts of the world. Prices are too far offset from gasoline, and to make up the difference you have to drive. A lot.
I know that they have VM 3.0 diesel in EU/Australia, but it's not a good seller. The bulk of sales are 2.0L engines. All of the competitors have 2 power levels of those engines.DaveAdmin said:In the article, I pointed out that emissions certification and crash testing would have to be done (obviously gas mileage testing too). Yes, the 3.0 is overkill, but that's what it has in the EU, right? Or does it have the four cylinder VM 2.x?
Promaster has a four cylinder 3-liter... presumably much cheaper to make.
Thing is, they already make the car that way for EUrope, so much of the cost is done -- just various test and certifications for the US.
Let me make myself clear, it's an overkill for a role of the most fuel-efficient motor. If you want power get a Hemi, if you want more power get an SRT.SouthPawXJ said:Hemis are overkill in cars, but they still put them in there. If they put the bare minimum in a vehicle, we'd never have any fun. The 2.0L Fiat Diesel may not be US emissions compliant in its current state, and the 3.0L is already designed to fit inside the 300. Of course, this may change with the future 300 and Charger. The 3.0 would be a lot of fun in a 300 or a Charger. It would return even better highway and city mileage than the 3.6L gas with more torque.
Durango was suppose to at one time also.69DartGTS said:Buy the looks of things, I think Each Chrysler Brand should get a 3.0 Diesel option.... Chrysler 300, Dodge Charger, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Ram 1500. question is can they make enough for them to put in the cars? Ram getting the most Diesels over Jeep cause of its Image as Commercial/ personal Work truck?
I forgot that the E250 bluetec is replacing the E350 bluetec.Bran said:VM 3.0 is an overkill for cars especially when paired with ZF 8 or 9 speed. And there is no way you will see it in the 2015 Chrysler 200.
Mercedes went from 3.0 V6 to 2.1L I4 for the 2014 E-class diesel.
BMW went from 3.0 V6 to 2.0L I4. (2012 335d --> 2014 328d)
IMO, they should put Fiat 2.0 biturbo diesel in 300, and Fiat 2.0 turbo in 200.
2.0 biturbo 200HP, 320 lb ft
2.0 turbo 170HP, 265 lb ft
But I guess they won't rush any more diesels. They will wait to see what happens with a Promaster, Ram 1500 and Grand Cherokee.
FixedBran said:VM 3.0 is an overkill for cars especially when paired with ZF 8 or 9 speed. And there is no way you will see it in the 2015 Chrysler 200.
Mercedes went from 3.0 V6 to 2.1L I4 for the 2014 E-class diesel.
BMW went from 3.0 I6 to 2.0L I4. (2012 335d --> 2014 328d)
IMO, they should put Fiat 2.0 biturbo diesel in 300, and Fiat 2.0 turbo in 200.
2.0 biturbo 200HP, 320 lb ft
2.0 turbo 170HP, 265 lb ft
But I guess they won't rush any more diesels. They will wait to see what happens with a Promaster, Ram 1500 and Grand Cherokee.