See the thread about the Hurricane engines, that will answer most of your questions.
Such a shame. Most fun? Check. Quirkiest? Check. Best sounding by far? Check. Best fuel economy? Check.Moparian said:other than the Aero, 1.4 FIRE engine is dead in the Dart.
It's already been noted in the aforementioned thread, UF gets the Hurricane, as confirmed by reliable sources.kakoktim said:What is you preditions, will the new 2.0 Hurricane se UF's enginebay
This makes more sense, I don't recall that Sergio dictated the 2.4 would be used when mentioning the 38 MPG of the next car. And it's hard to envision the leap it would take given the current 2.4 tigersharks unimpressive MPG. That said, the hurricane would have to be awfully far along if the 200 is to debut with it.MoparNorm said:It's already been noted in the aforementioned thread, UF gets the Hurricane, as confirmed by reliable sources.
Of interest, they aren't calling the UF anything model specific, only "mid sized", no 200 label, no Lancia label, no Alfa label, so several variants may be possible.bumonbox said:This makes more sense, I don't recall that Sergio dictated the 2.4 would be used when mentioning the 38 MPG of the next car. And it's hard to envision the leap it would take given the current 2.4 tigersharks unimpressive MPG. That said, the hurricane would have to be awfully far along if the 200 is to debut with it.
With all of that done, I'd imagine the Dart with the 2.0 and 9 spd would finally address that.
It may take a lot more than DI, and I really don't know what Mazda did to their 2.5L engine aside from DI, but the mileage from 2013 to 2014 models with the 2.5L went from 20/28 to 28/39. Same displacement, 40% increase in gas mileage, with more power to boot.bumonbox said:This makes more sense, I don't recall that Sergio dictated the 2.4 would be used when mentioning the 38 MPG of the next car. And it's hard to envision the leap it would take given the current 2.4 tigersharks unimpressive MPG. That said, the hurricane would have to be awfully far along if the 200 is to debut with it.
With all of that done, I'd imagine the Dart with the 2.0 and 9 spd would finally address that.
Lancia as a trim level?! It's a brand, for God's sake!billfrombuckhead said:"Lancia" as the Euro touring package trim level
Mazda did a fair bit more than slap DI on the engine. Adding DI to the engine would almost assuredly not increase gas mileage by "at least 30%". If that's all it took, fair bet they would have done it. Alas, the topic about the pentastar getting wards 10 best has commentary from inside Chrysler. Indicating that the benefit for NA was not huge. Perhaps didn't justify the costs. Also indicated that DI engines are likely to have a harder time meeting new emisions regs. In either case, I can't think of any car in which DI was added and it added 30% just like that. Mazda did quite a bit to the engines (Skyactiv technology is ultimately just a marketing term, but refers to a number of changes to the engines, IIRC much higher compression being a change, and I believe the benefits of DI are better realized with that combo. However there are drawbacks to all of that as well)srt4evah said:It may take a lot more than DI, and I really don't know what Mazda did to their 2.5L engine aside from DI, but the mileage from 2013 to 2014 models with the 2.5L went from 20/28 to 28/39. Same displacement, 40% increase in gas mileage, with more power to boot.
I'd imagine that the 2.4L Tigershark equipped with DI, and yes I know it's not just as simple as "bolt-on", but if it were done, would increase gas mileage by at least 30% and power by at least 10%.
Like SRT and Mopar?Lancia as a trim level?! It's a brand, for God's sake!
Me tooDave said:...but I am pretty sure it will indeed be 200.
Dave said:'Like SRT and Mopar?
I can see your scheme being implementable - desirable is another question.
I do agree with dropping the alphanumeric, but I am pretty sure it will indeed be 200. I can't see Sebring coming back, unfortunately. The scathing comments about Sebrings are now reaching back to the originals which tended to do extremely well in reviews of the times"
I don't think the 200 model name has built up enough goodwill for such an important car, especially one with upscale ambitions. BTW, where's Francois Olivier been lately? I think they need some marketing help, he should send me an e-mail.. Maybe the late launches of the Cherokee and Dart GT have stifled things. But then what do I know, I predicted the "Dart" name a year before it came out.
BTW, this new d-class is going to get a lot of attention as a Lancia, the American side needs to leverage that somehow.
So what's your suggestion? Do the usual Chrysler thing of making a new name? Pick out the last downsized-Chrysler names? (Cordoba, New Yorker, Fifth Avenue, LeBaron)? The first and last of those are linked to less than perfect memories and the middle two may annoy people in New York-hating parts of the country.I don't think the 200 model name has built up enough goodwill for such an important car, especially one with upscale ambitions.
Good, let's try and get some name equity built up here.oh2o said:Me too.