[Stratuscaster]

Mine was 18MPG city driving my 85 Voyager last week. Granted its flat in FL

It's pretty flat in Illinois, too. But there's a lot of stoplights here, and the wife seems to have a rather heavy foot. She also tends to let it idle more in the cold.

 

[66coronet]

...and it should be pointed out that the differences between the fuel efficiency of the 2002, 2008 and 2012 is vast when you consider the engine management system, different engine and transmission tuning.
30-35 hwy is not beyond the realm of possibility, YMMV.

And the smaller PT Crusier automatic can't even get close to 28mpg. I wish the MB 2.2L crd was available for the US market.

 

[55Plaza]

I assume this is miles per imperial gallon (mpgUK) which is what is used in Canada and so is 1.2 times mpgUS. 1 galC = 1 galUK = 1.2009 galUS. So 30 and 33 mpgC are, respectively, 25 and 27.5 mpgUS.

No this is per US gallons.
And the Canadian gallon is 25% larger than the US.... 160 oz. vs. 128 oz.
As stated above
As always, YMMV.

 

[TWX]

I'm comfortable with the fuel economy numbers I got from our trip through New England on a holiday weekend. The roads were more congested than they are around the desert southwest so it would be better here. It'd also be my wife's vehicle and she averages 31mpg on a car that the EPA says should get 28 highway (her '01 Integra) due to her lil-old-lady driving style, so it's very possible that she'll get better than the 25mpg expected for a T&C.

 

[jstew314]

No this is per US gallons.
And the Canadian gallon is 25% larger than the US.... 160 oz. vs. 128 oz.
As stated above
As always, YMMV.

I think that UK/Canadian fluid oz (Imperial fluid ounces) are smaller in volume than US fluid oz. The best way to convert between Imperial and US units is to go through the metric system. 1 galC = 4.5461 L, 1 galUS = 3.7854 L, and 4.5461/3.7854 = 1.201.

Do you buy fuel in litres in Canada and convert to gallons Canadian for mpg calculations? Does your odometer read in miles or kilometres? Does your trip computer read in L/100km or in mpgC?

To convert between the metric system of fuel consumption (L/100km) and mpg one divides into 235 for galUS and into 282 for galC.

Examples:

1. 8 L/100km is 29.4 mpgUS and 35.3 mpgC. (235/8 = 29.4 and 282/8 = 35.3),

2. 25 mpgUS is 9.4 L/100km. (235/25 = 9.4)

3. 30 mpgC is 9.4 L/100km. (282/30 = 9.4)

Addition in editing: My HP calculator shows that 1 ozflUS = 1.0408 ozflUK.

 

[UN4GTBL]

^ Thanks!!

 

[Jeff2KPatriotBlue]

Legally, since 1968, trade in Canada is in metric, so our fuel prices and odometers are in $/l and km respectively.

Only automobile advertizers still use MPG and ususally don't specify that it is "miles per Imperial gallons."

Most grocery stores advertise with $/lb in large font and $/kg in small font, but the scale at the till is in kg.

I notice more and more places going to $/100g on the shelf price to get a smaller number.

 

[Dave Z]

Heavy, aerodynamic vehicles tend to get much better mileage on the highway than the city, that throws things off when we compare.

I believe our 300C will get 31 mpg easily on a long flat trip at, say, 65 mph. No problem at all. However, driving 1 mile to school and back in the morning and afternoon, starting on cold days, you're looking at 12-14 mpg. I would do better driving my Valiant.

The same applies to our minivan, though being a 2006 3.8, its highway mileage tops out at around 26 on a good day, yes, that's freeway-only. The six speed really helps, and the 4.0 and 3.3 both got much better mileage than the 3.8. Oops.

Well, the plan is that eventually the minivan will be replaced by a Patriot, but dang, the seats in the new Compass were just incredible, I wonder if Patriot will get those? If so, I might spring for a _new_ Patriot. Though if I had my way, I'd get a Fiat 500 ... stick.