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Certified: Ram 1500 diesel (updated)

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Both the United States Environmental Protection Agency and the California Air Resources Board have approved the production and sale of the Ram 1500 diesel and Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel.

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Recently, Allpar broke the story that FCA had resumed small-batch production of the V6-diesel Rams . Last night, Automotive News predicted the imminent certification of the vehicles.

FCA and the government agencies had collaborated on resolving problems with the control systems on earlier trucks and Jeeps sold with the VM 3-liter V6 engines. The calibrations at issue appear to have been done by Bosch and a company half-owned by Volkswagen, as well as VM USA.

A version of this software will be used to update 2014-16 Jeeps and Rams with the diesel engines. The key issue was software that shut down emissions during conditions that are common for drivers, but not common on the EPA testing schedules.  FCA does not appear to have been aware of these behaviors, which conserved diesel exhaust fluid (DEF).

The company reported that fuel economy would be unaffected by the new controls; the engines will likely use more DEF, an inexpensive (if purchased at a pump) additive.

Ordering is currently closed for the 2017 Ram 1500 diesel; however, some may have been built for people who have cancelled their orders after their trucks were made, due to the long lag time. At least one dealer reported that their 2017 orders had been rolled over to 2018s. An FCA representative said that 2018 Ram 1500 diesel production was consistent with the usual new-model-year production timing, suggesting they might be made in the third quarter of 2017.
 
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FCA Announces Certification of 2017 Model-year Diesel Vehicles
July 28, 2017 , Auburn Hills, Mich. - FCA US LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles N.V. (FCA) (NYSE: FCAU / MTA: FCA), announced today that it has received a certificate of conformity from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and a conditional executive order from the Air Resources Board (ARB) of the State of California, permitting the production and sale of FCA US 2017 model-year light-duty Ram 1500 and Jeep® Grand Cherokee vehicles equipped with 3.0-liter diesel engines.

The agencies’ approval was the product of several months of collaboration between FCA US and the EPA and ARB to address the agencies’ concerns with respect to the diesel emissions control technologies employed on earlier model-year versions of these vehicles. The 2017 updates include modified emissions software calibrations, with no required hardware changes, and FCA US expects that the modified calibrations will have no effect on the stated fuel economy or the performance of these vehicles.

FCA US intends to continue to work closely with the agencies and seek their permission to use a version of the modified software to update the emissions control systems in the 2014-2016 model-year Jeep Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500 diesel vehicles that were the subject of the Notices of Violation issued by EPA and ARB in January 2017. FCA US believes that the modified software can address the agencies’ concerns as to the emissions performance of those vehicles.

“The approvals announced today represent a significant step toward resolving the issues raised by EPA and ARB,” said Sergio Marchionne, Chief Executive Officer of FCA US and FCA. “We appreciate the efforts of the agencies in working with us to achieve this milestone. We are anxious to build on this progress to make appropriate updates to the emissions control software in our earlier model-year vehicles.”

FCA Media
 
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BobbiBigWheelsPuhraise the Lord.

@redriderbob @Mike V. - are we able to order for inventory or only for clients due to how late in the model year it is?


IE: are we truly able to get 2017 Ram 1500 EcoDiesels?All my 28X and 28H 2017 orders got rolled over to 2018's a few weeks back and are still sitting "BG" status. Ill watch to see if they go "D" in the next few days... fingers crossed
 
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link3721Definitely turned out much better than VW.Because, IMHO, the cheating was unintentional (by FCA) — limited in scope — covering far fewer vehicles — less likely to be seen in everyday driving — and less obviously cheating. If Bosch and VW weren’t at all involved, one could be forgiven for thinking it was an oversight.
 
#19 ·
Fascinating that the fix has exactly the consequence I predicted (no change to efficiency, but more DEF usage). This should mean a VERY slight increase to total "fuel" cost per mile and hopefully be accepted by a judge as an adequate remedy for any consumer lawsuits that have been brought. Time will tell.
 
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Dave ZBecause, IMHO, the cheating was unintentional (by FCA) — limited in scope — covering far fewer vehicles — less likely to be seen in everyday driving — and less obviously cheating. If Bosch and VW weren’t at all involved, one could be forgiven for thinking it was an oversight.Yes, and the fact that they didn't require extensive hardware to fix the problem. They already had the DEF system so the issue was "easily" fixed.
 
#25 ·
Just read the file on the link, they also are imposing fines on them of $7,000 per vehicle sold in California payable each quarter even after they are certified.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
The listed vehicle models are conditionally certified in accordance with 13 CCR Section 1968.2(k) (deficiency and fines provisions for certification of malfunction and diagnostic system) because the on-board diagnostic II (OBD II) system of the listed vehicle models have been determined to have 17 deficiencies. These vehicle models are approved subject to the manufacturer paying a fine of $500 per vehicle for the third through seventeenth deficiencies for vehicles in the listed test group that are produced and delivered for sale in California.