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1997 B1500: New fuel Pump but no fuel pressure

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#1 ·
Hey folks,

I recently purchased a 1997 B1500 109" wheel base (shorty) van with a 5.2L V8 and the 46RE transmission.

I knew buying it that it was cranking and the engine will run briefly if I spray starter fluid into the throttle body but that it will not continue running or start without something put into the throttle body. I also could not hear the fuel pump engage when I turned the key to the run/start positions. My diagnosis was that the fuel pump was bad (it had been sitting for about 2 years before I bought it and the tank had almost ZERO gas in it).

I recently replaced the fuel pump and this did not fix the issue - though after checking all the fuel line connections and fittings from the tank to the throttle body I noticed there might be a drizzle of gas...but not enough for the engine to start or stay running after I got it to briefly run using starter fluid in the throttle body.

I have done the following:
  1. Disconnected the fuel line at all junctions and sprayed compressed air throughout to make sure there are no blockages in the line. This does mean that currently there is NO gas in the line at all...probably not in the fuel rail either.
  2. Tested with the tank fully installed as well as re-lowered - same issues
  3. I cleaned and purged the tank and am using new gas
  4. I used a Power Probe to try and supply the pump with a positive feed to see if it would pump gas but this does not work. With the Power Probe attached I do find that the pump gets a positive signal for just a few seconds and then it goes off. I learned that this might be normal for the following reason: "The fuel pump is supposed to do that when you first turn the key. It won't run continuously until the engine starts. The PCM has to see a crank signal to close the fuel pump relay contacts. If no fuel comes out when you turn the key you may have a plugged filter sock in the tank." I don't think the filter sock is clogged as this is a brand new pump. This issue has been present on two different fuel pumps as well. Could it be that the Crank Positioning sensor is not sending a signal?
Any thoughts or advice?

Many thanks,

Shane
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
@ImperialCrown

Thanks for the info!

I am suspecting the Crankshaft positioning sensor or the wiring to it at this point. I have found evidence of mice/rats having been in and out of this van and I wonder if they got the the wiring. I'll know soon...

I cleaned the tank pretty well when I installed the new pump but will remove the new pump once again just to be sure that there was not more debris or that the filter might have been clogged.

I got a very good flow of air through the fuel lines using compressed air - and a good thing to note is that on this 1997 B1500 the fuel lines were actually all plastic so no concerns of rust.

I did try using the Power Probe to provide a 12V source directly to the pump (the green wire with the black tracer) and it did not turn on then either...not sure what that might mean.

When I have seen fuel it's been low pressure and volume - I suspect it's just whatever gets initially pumped into the line by the pump when it initially primes itself when the key is turned. It does not steadily flow since the pump does not stay on - which is what is making me think it could be the crankshaft positioning sensor or wiring at this point.

Shane
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
@AllanC

Thank you for the info and steps. I'll share some photos today after I do some more inspection to help with diagnosis.

I am going to inspect the wiring from front to back again but I believe it is ok from the junction under the front passenger door back to the pump - I am not sure about from the PDC to that junction though.

I removed the crankshaft positioning sensor and it had some sort of crusty smudge on the end that I thought might have been blocking the signal. I cleaned that all up but the issue persisted.

I only just yesterday (since purchasing the van) popped off the distributor cap and noticed that the rotor tang was all bent up and the points in the distributor had built up oxidization. Looks like everything is also all original from 1997.

I replaced the distributor cap, rotor, and crankshaft positioning sensor - unfortunately the issue with the fuel pump still persisted and no fuel is getting pumped up to the fuel rail.

Note: When I put fuel in the throttle body the motor will start and runs pretty smooth but then dies as it burns off the fuel. I think the issue all sits with electrical and trying to solve why the pump is not being engaged.

Today I will be focusing on checking and testing all the wiring and signals and I'll share what I find.

Thanks,

Shane
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
Those actually look like they are accurate for the van @ImperialCrown

That's the identical diagram in the 1997 Chrysler Service Manual I got for the van.

Another issue is that the fuel level in the tank is also not registering on the fuel gauge in the instrument cluster...it's like that entire harness of wires is not getting/delivering signals.

Shane
 
Discussion starter · #10 ·
@AllanC You are absolutely correct - I misspoke about the points. It's a Magnum V8 5.2L as you described with the shutter in the distributor.

Thanks to all the info and advice from you and @ImperialCrown - I was able to locate and test all of the wiring from front to back and in the end it turns out that the new pump I got was faulty. I went and got another new pump last night and the van started right up and was running great. Hallelujah!

I really appreciate the diagrams and advice - it was very helpful!

Shane