[T_690]

Toyota and Nissan both said this yesterday to the press at the North American International Auto Show. It is not a guess.

But what's their interpretation of sports sedan. Is it a RWD or something else?

 

[vipergg]

What a copy/paste once again from Koreans. I mean, it's clear that you copy someone but to make car which has no unique new design elements or elements form companies historic models is to much.

Slated to be presented today at 18:00 EST, the 4.83-meter-long Stinger GTwas designed with grand touring in mind. Built on a platform based on that of the 2017 Genesis G80, the Stinger GT boasts rear-wheel-drive, MacPherson struts at the front, and multi-link suspension at the rear. Dimensions-wise, the sedan slots between the BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe and 6er Gran Coupe.

Under the hood, a 3.3-liter twin-turbo V6 provides the 8-speed automatic transmission with 365 horsepower (370 PS) and 376 pound-feet (510 Nm) of torque. There’s no manual option, I’m afraid. On the upside, the limited-slip differential should provide interesting driving dynamics. 62 mph (100 km/h) is doable in 5.1 seconds, while top speed is rated at 167 mph (269 km/h).

More at a link:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2018-kia-stinger-gt-officially-revealed-114427.html#

Whats not to like, 375 hp 376 ft lbs of torque twin turbo V6 and RWD . Sounds like fun to me . What does FCA have ? 10 year old design cars badly in need of at least a refresh . Kudos to them for having the stones to bring out of nice new RWD vehicle like this .

 

[T_690]

Whats not to like, 375 hp 376 ft lbs of torque twin turbo V6 and RWD . Sounds like fun to me . What does FCA have ? 10 year old design cars badly in need of at least a refresh . Kudos to them for having the stones to bring out of nice new RWD vehicle like this .

Well, if you have a money you can buy a 505 HP RWD mid-size sedan from FCA.

 

[Christopher]

I like the looks of the car, but that raised video screen would keep me from buying one, I think. I haven't seen a car where that kind of display looks good. It looks cheap.

 

[DarkSky]

The more I look at it, the more I want one. I love the design, especially in blue or gray. It's the perfect size and I don't see Dodge coming out with anything like this anytime soon.

I'd get the GT AWD. Can't go wrong with 365 horsepower and AWD. I also like that it has a hatchback instead of a regular trunk.

And yes, the tail lights do look like the Charger, but I don't think it's fair to say that this car is made only of design details copied from other manufacturers. This has a distinct Kia look to it and fits very well with their current lineup while also looking much sportier and more luxurious.

 

[somber]

The gray one looks ready for paint.

 

[geraldg]

The gray one looks ready for paint.

No different than the Charger Destroyer Gray.

 

[DarkSky]

I like the contrast on the gray one between the understated paint and the overstated design features of the car.

 

[Guest]

Twin Turbo V6? It's sounds like Kia is going Maserati hunting -- and knowing the Koreans, they will probably beat them in sales as usual (thanks to the decade long warranty).

 

[BobbiBigWheels]

I like the looks of the car, but that raised video screen would keep me from buying one, I think. I haven't seen a car where that kind of display looks good. It looks cheap.

I've always thought the raised screen looked like an afterthought in vehicles. Mazda's look like they built the interior, stood back and said, "Oh $#%&! We forgot the infotainment system!"

 

[Christopher]

I've always thought the raised screen looked like an afterthought in vehicles. Mazda's look like they built the interior, stood back and said, "Oh $#%&! We forgot the infotainment system!"

That's it exactly.

 

[T_690]

Twin Turbo V6? It's sounds like Kia is going Maserati hunting -- and knowing the Koreans, they will probably beat them in sales as usual (thanks to the decade long warranty).

Yes of-course. This car is aiming at a class below anything that Maserati offers. Base Stinger will be cheaper than base Giulia.

 

[Prabhjot]

It IS brand 'image', 'authenticity', 'heritage' and the rest that enables pricing power and margins, as opposed to just sales numbers.

Hyundai-s and Kia-s now face rising costs in korea, including for capital which had hitherto been pretty much 'free' given their membership of a giant quasi-sovereign chaebol in a military-nationalist client state of the usa. Japanese firms now much more competitive against Korea, etc.

BUT: they're still (somewhat) 'discount' brands all over the world (and not just in Europe or China.)

Hence the efforts to move up the margin scale with Genesis and such cars as this Kia: i.e., discount luxury and discount-sporty-gt, etc.

Pirate brands, is a good way of putting it i think: for better, the not-bad and for worse.

It will not work imo: Hyundai-Kia have reached their peak as hyper-commoditised (good 'quality' and warranties and mimetic design for notably less, etc) intensely-globalised brands imo, other than in some 'developing' (India) and de-developing (Russia, some in Europe, in Latam) countries.

What is great about FCA's strategy by contrast is: multi, historic, high-authenticity brands, some regional, some global, some already high-margin and high-growth (Jeep, Maserati, Alfa+Dodge) others high volume (Fiat, the uv-s)+ bleeding-edge performance/chassis/suspension and production-process tech with increasing scale economies borne of sharing across plants and brands.

Hyundai-Kia are way bigger than FCA global-sales-wise, and with vastly greater accumulated financial strength/health, and greater geographical spread/balance (world market-regions-wise) BUT imo they're at peak while FCA, a much younger merely 8-year old firm, is just getting fully, finally 'warmed up'! And the latter has what Hyundai-Kia still don't: BRANDs with high focus, identity, character, image, and.....'white space' and/or pentup growth potential.

 

[jerseyjoe]

Hyundai/Kia have no sense of shame in copying.aspects of more expensive vehicles and selling them for far, far less.

At this point FCA should do that. Immediate need for high performance little Chrysler car that would blow all others into the weeds.

 

[JavelinAMX]

Yes of-course. This car is aiming at a class below anything that Maserati offers. Base Stinger will be cheaper than base Giulia.

All the better. If it can approach the Maser or Alfa - it doesn't have to reach parity or exceed either of those - it will ( or at least 'can' ) dilute competitors. BMW 4-Series is one stated target. Presumably the Stinger GT will top out around $50K *, more routine models lower than that. When the automobile press begin publishing comparos, we will see where Kia's effort shakes out. But by appearance and by specification it looks like it has potential. I DO kinda like the Hatch.

( * - The Kia Stinger GT Wants to Be the Budget Alternative to the BMW 4-Series )

 

[AvengerGuy]

What a copy/paste once again from Koreans. I mean, it's clear that you copy someone but to make car which has no unique new design elements or elements form companies historic models is to much.

Slated to be presented today at 18:00 EST, the 4.83-meter-long Stinger GTwas designed with grand touring in mind. Built on a platform based on that of the 2017 Genesis G80, the Stinger GT boasts rear-wheel-drive, MacPherson struts at the front, and multi-link suspension at the rear. Dimensions-wise, the sedan slots between the BMW 4 Series Gran Coupe and 6er Gran Coupe.

Under the hood, a 3.3-liter twin-turbo V6 provides the 8-speed automatic transmission with 365 horsepower (370 PS) and 376 pound-feet (510 Nm) of torque. There’s no manual option, I’m afraid. On the upside, the limited-slip differential should provide interesting driving dynamics. 62 mph (100 km/h) is doable in 5.1 seconds, while top speed is rated at 167 mph (269 km/h).

More at a link:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2018-kia-stinger-gt-officially-revealed-114427.html#

I agree that the Koreans have come up with a new car that is not a fresh, new design, but rather what is sometimes called derivative. Different aspects of the design were derived or copied from a number of other cars. It does appear reasonably attractive and stylish. Yes, in some ways I like it and in other ways, really not so much. But, let's keep in mind that looks only matter so much. How it steers, drives, rides and handles is far more important. And, since it will surely be priced above an Optima, will it have the refinement expected in a more premium sedan? If they can imbue it with enough desirable content for the price point, they will be able to grab more market share.

 

[con383]

AND..............................................................Its coming to Australia!! Something Dodge seems to be unable to do!

 

[geraldg]

Hyundai/Kia have no sense of shame in copying.aspects of more expensive vehicles and selling them for far, far less.

Isn't that what FCA did with the 200 sedan copied Hyundai ??

 

[jerseyjoe]

^^ and they're succeeding in selling cars..

Ashamed to say seniors are going for them in my aera, basically giving them away, hard to resist.

 

[AlPards]

the blue one looks great