All 3 will share a platform and I am betting the Italians will take the lead because Americans can't handle a high end supercar. I mean, look at what the Americans did to the Viper.

 

I mean, look at what the Americans did to the Viper

It was great, wasn't it?

 

Instead of repeating myself every two days about the same information... do a little digging on the car gaps thread.... I posted enough there.

 

Ya and the Americans might get the platform 10 or so years afterwards so as not to tarnish that sterling Italian quality.

 

Think again... 2021 or 2022.

 

Redriderbob, I believe your info on this forum is invaluable and I really appreciate your input on here. With that said, I just get very defensive with the progress the company is making after almost 10 years. In the last few it feels more and more daimleresque as the days go by.

 

You can get a Challenger convertible too but that's neither here nor there. With an clean sheet to wish upon, my wish is an open top, that's all.

 

This ad, was always a favorite of mine and I think it sums up Viper perfectly.

 

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This ad, was always a favorite of mine and I think it sums up Viper perfectly.

I keep getting cross eyed looking at this one!

 

You know, it's a bit hypocritical for people here to complain that Dodge/Chrysler/FCA change names too often and then turn around and say if the Viper replacement doesn't have a V-10 and a manual transmission only, they should call it something else. Chevrolet has held onto the Corvette nameplate for years and the current model is miles away from the original.

Chevy's sports car is the Corvette; Dodge's is the Viper, no matter what's under the hood or how many pedals it has. Hang onto a name with equity for once!

 

Chevrolet has held onto the Corvette nameplate for years and the current model is miles away from the original.
Chevy's sports car is the Corvette; Dodge's is the Viper, no matter what's under the hood or how many pedals it has. Hang onto a name with equity for once!

AMEN ! ! !

There's a lot to be said for name-equity. Dodge would have a great deal to lose in abandoning the name Viper.

Think of all the millions upon millions that Chrysler Corp. / Daimler-Chrysler / Chrysler Group LLC / FCA has lost in the forms of good-will and nameplate-equity with all the names that have been abandoned over the years...not to mention the outright killing of Plymouth during the Daimler Occupation.

 

I'd like to see the Viper name live on as well but I do also understand how Viper owners balk at a car named Viper without the V10. It's kind of like the fabled mid engine Corvette (that might be coming). Giving a mid engine (hyper?) car the Corvette name is a pretty radical departure from the history of what 'vette's have always been. I also don't think a halo car name necessarily needs to soldier on indefinitely. The Ford GT is a good example of a halo car that has had short tenures. At this point though, I'm more interested in what they come up with than what they name it.

 

Whatever engine they end up using still makes me wonder how they're going to get it under the (incredibly) low hood of the Viper.

I mean did some of you guys see that comparison between the FirePower and the Viper @redriderbob posted in (I think) another thread? I never really thought the FirePower was that much "taller" until I saw that photo. It really gave me a new appreciation for just how small (relatively speaking) the Viper's engine is. Whatever engine they end up putting in the next "Viper" hopefully will be low enough not to "spoil" the Viper's incredibly slender body.

Of course, if they can't, I'm sure the designers can probably find some way around the problem to make a look a little bit smaller than it is (we never know what wizardry Ralph and the team are cooking up in there).... well, maybe except for the insiders.

 

Taller as in hood height

 

The Viper can afford to "grow".in every dimension minus the Rear.... i mean come'on, the wheelbase is Less than a 911...

 

I am with Danno, I don't think the V12 Merc includes the pressurizing hardware. That would add a lot of weight.

Neither here motel there for me really...

Redirecting:

Assuming. NextViper is made on a new (Giulia inspired) platform to be shared with Maserati and Alfa, everyone just assumes that it will have to be built in Italy. That, IMHO, is a false assumption.

The new Giulia will (eventually) make it Dige and Chrysler, and eventually Jeep. No way can all those be made in Italy. They will be US made, too. Folks also assume that NextViper production is incompatible with Giulia. That also, IMHO, is a false assumption.

The folks around here that are more familiar with plants, planned production, and archiplatiarchiplatitecture will be able to speculate better than I, where a NextViper that is also Giulia plant compatible could be produced.

Either way, Viper does not HAVE to be US made. It HAS to be a highly capable athletically gifted car, that drips with sensuality.

 

I trust Ralph and his team to deliver another stellar design, and his SRT skunkworks to "Brian home the bacon" as it were.

Also, what is the possibility that Viper Jr (Ralph's longtime pet project) sees the light of day?

 

... "Brian home the bacon" as it were....

Spellchecked-Typo of the day, that. lol

 

Any vehicle that follows the Viper will suffer in comparison, IMHO. Either people will say it lost its testosterone laden attitude, or that it's just a Mazer with a Hellcat shoehorned inside. Either way it will be pilloried even without the Viper name on the fender.

 

"...just a Maser with a Hellcat shoehorned inside."

That is what that car should be. OMG!!! You just described a special dream of a car!!! Talk about a car with attitude!?!

Seriously though. SRT WILL get their hands on the car. SRT, for those that haven't been paying attention for the last few years, is kind of on a roll. Anything SRT touches lately, tends to shatter perceptions, and rewrite itself as the new reference standard. Nobody says, "it'll beat a Camaro!" They say, " it'll beat a Demon." Nobody says, "it'll beat a 911, or a 458/488, a Vette or even a McLaren." They say," it'll beat an ACR."

Park just about anything next to a Hellcat, or a Viper, and the one everyone is drooling over will have the letters D-O-D-G-E on it. It has been a very, very, very long time since a Mopar could make a Ferrari seem passé.

I have full faith that SRT, when it gets NextViper, theybwill make the car amaze.

 

It has been speculated that the next HEMI is to be debut in 2021..

Next Challenger/Charger/300 is scheduled for 2021.
Next Viper is rumored for 2020-2021.

I wonder who will be the first to be shown with the entry HEMI and the top-dog HEMI.

 

Viper replacement will be after the LX cars replacement

 

And here I thought alfieri might be .. new challenger?

 

Let's stir the pot and say it will be a new cuda

 

Switching gears (almost entirely from pure Viper talk). The fact that the Viper is going to share the same platform gets me really curious how they're going to make the Viper stand out from the other two cars and vice versa (performance wise).

Side note: I'm using the word "curious" way to much.

I mean, we seem to be getting a new Gran Turismo as well. So where does that leave the Alfieri? Is the Alfieri going to become Maserti's equivalent of the Aston Martin Vantage (leaving the Gran Turismo as the DB9)? If so (hypothetically speaking) then does that put the Alfa in a tight spit (performance wise)? Add to the fact that the next "Viper" isn't going to be the same as the out-going model only adds to my growing list of thoughts and questions regarding how it'll fit in with its new siblings.

(Sorry if all these questions are annoying the insiders to the moon and back. And if this was asked and answered before in another thread).

 

Viper could be v8 or maybe even supercharged, Alfa can have their v6/i6 turbo, and Maserati can have their hybrid gas and electric. On top of that Maserati already would have cost more then the other two so only Alfa and dodge would be competing

 

I would suspect that the greater sharing of architectures helps drive down supplier costs, something Sergio is hell bent on doing. My hope is, as time goes on, more flex is built into the manufacturing plants (very high initial capital costs) to make up for the loss of flex designed into the vehicle platforms. Personally, I think you make your product design flexible because of the huge costs of changes at the plant level. Cheapening parts from suppliers exposes more vehicles to the same cheap parts.

 

So, someone can explain how is possible to have these FCA vehicles, if the family of architectures, as some continue to repeat, are so "inflexible"?

Or this one

 

So, someone can explain how is possible to have these FCA vehicles, if the family of architectures, as some continue to repeat, are so "inflexible"?

GM Fiat Small platform - Wikipedia (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Fiat_Small_platform )

You can read about that platform. It's an aging platform, that still Fiat is using at great lengths with its small vehicle offerings. They are flexible... the problem is demand for the products worldwide. Small cars are hard to sell in NAFTA right now, yet crossovers are hot. Europe you probably would be hard pressed to sell a Fiat Toro there as much as you are able to sell the vehicle like it is in South America.

Question is what this have to do with a Viper replacement?

 

I would look for a car similar to how the Chrysler Firepower Concept was laid out. Similar to the Vipers long hood layout with the front wheels way out front and the rear wheels right behind the driver seat. I am pretty sure it would be V8 powered, probably a high performance SRT variant of the next generation HEMI due out in 2021.

 

I know about 20 years back, Chrysler bolted together two Neon 2.0 liter motors to create a straight 8 for one of its concept cars. My pipe dream would be for Chrysler to take 2 pentastars V6 motors and bolt them together for a V12 for the next generation Viper. That would really get attention -- and it would be the first domestic V12 since I believe the 1930's. IMO, that would be pretty amazing.

 

Have to do. Just an answer to infinite "mantra" of Erik Latranyi about the impossible for a new FCA's "family of architectures" to allow enough design variations so to allow differentiation between models for Maserati / Dodge / ... .

Also to add that smaller the production targets for a model, less expensive and "easier" is its industrialization.

 

Please do not LIE about what I said.

I NEVER said it was impossible for FCA's system to allow differentiation. I said that it is antiquated and outdated.

FLEX had all the features of the FCA system AND you could build different vehicles on the same assembly line. That flexibility would have allowed the company to continue to offer sedans and CUVs from the same assembly plant.

This entire nonsense of one vehicle per assembly plant is not smart leadership.

But if you want to discuss design variations, shall we discuss the long front overhang on the Cherokee, the design compromises for the 200 because of its relationship to Dart? Do you want to discuss that the Pacifica could never run on the same line as the Cherokee?

When FCA can build multiple vehicles (like Charger, 300 and Challenger) on the same line, then I will reconsider my position. Until then, this company's engineering is decades behind.

 

Search, as I already wrote in answer to You in another thread, FCA Pernambuco plant.
Jeep Renegade, Compass and Fiat Toro are built in their single line.

 

To attempt to veer back on topic, a Viper replacement built off a shared architecture wouldn't need a facility like Conner. But would a Nu-Viper be built in Italy and assembled in Conner to keep the ability to personalize like a Viper..?

 

A question I have is how much will FCA save on production since it won't be hand built

 

Probably a ton. You'd be look at prices like the corvette now instead of being above it

 

I know about 20 years back, Chrysler bolted together two Neon 2.0 liter motors to create a straight 8 for one of its concept cars. My pipe dream would be for Chrysler to take 2 pentastars V6 motors and bolt them together for a V12 for the next generation Viper. That would really get attention -- and it would be the first domestic V12 since I believe the 1930's. IMO, that would be pretty amazing.

You are talking about the amazing Chrysler Atlantic 4.0L straight 8.

 

Probably a ton. You'd be look at prices like the corvette now instead of being above it

Correct.

Corvette Assembly in Bowling Green (Mass Produced).

Vs

Viper Assembly at Conner (Hand Assembled).