I miss my EcoDiesel. The little whine of the turbo, the outrageous torque that effortlessly propelled me up hills and its diesel clatter that always had people asking me "is that a diesel?". It was in my Gladiator and it was great. The guy who bought it loves it so much he sends me pictures of it off roading every few months. I actually got some today. But I also loved the 5.7 in my Ram. I don't need wheel eating burn out engines with super high HorsePower, just a dependable tried and true power plant. The 5.7 had some issues, but they could always address that now.

I believe the next JL and JT, aka JL2 and JT2, as another forum poster informed me of is due in 2028, so why retool the current models with any new engines? Just scoot the year up to 2027 for the new model and release the whole package. By now they should be pretty much settled on the next design direction. I bet we lose the fold down windshield in the next one. I never used it anyways.

 

And the reality is, for the customer who wants a traditional non turbo engine large displacement the Hemi had much more potential in it. The Gen III came out 22 years ago and the last major change was 16 years ago for the garden variety 5.7s. Does that sound like progress?
Every time I get in my old 07 Grand with 100 more ft lbs of torque than you can get in the most expensive Grand or Wrangler I am reminded WHAT A NICE THING IT IS! Effortless power no high rpm buzziness or constant shifting like with the 8 spd. Hook up a 5,000 lb trailer & it’s even more obvious. Note to the Euro centric types running this company some of us buy SUVs to actually USE them, and if I can get 400 Hp in a Ford, well, why would I spend the same for 270 in a Jeep?
Obviously the American ownership of FoMoCo gets this as evidenced by their powertrain choices.

 

Whatever the reason they aren’t competitive!
If the Hurricane actually fits in a Grand or Wrangler I bet the rear of the valve cover is shoved way under the cowling God help the mechanic who has to get at anything back there!

 

@LouJC technically the Hurricane fits anywhere the Hemi fits. That is as per the engineers and the Chief Propulsion guy iirc. So the Hurricane would (or would have) fit in

Wrangler
Gladiator
Grand Cherokee/L
Durango
Old Charger
Old Challenger
New Charger

These were willful decisions to not put Hurricane in the Grand Cherokee/L, the Durango, and the JL/JT. Just like it was a willful decision to discontinue the Hemis.

We are just stuck with the fallout from these and other stupid decisions. CT earned a large chunk of the blame, but the "we only make Hellcats" decision predicated this. Nobody knows how to moderate, just aggressively swing the pendulum one way or the other.

 

I’ve said this multiple times if we can’t have a V8 in the Grand, why is Stella incapable/unwilling to offer at least some of what Ford does with their turbo engines? Yeah the Hurricane is great and all but currently it seems to fit ONLY in a full size pick up. Instead of using their resources to offer various versions of the already proven Pentastar!
FoMoCo:
2.3 4 cy
2.7, 3.0, 3.5 V6.
totally outclasses ANYTHING Jeep has for Wrangler or the Grand.
And before someone goes off on that tangent yes I know that an in-line six is in perfect primary and secondary balance I have driven one for 27 years and 182,000 miles in my 98 ZJ Grand. It runs as new, only repairs has been a couple of crank sensors, water pump & radiator (15 years ago), just put in the crank sensor a couple of months ago. I think Stella wasted engineering resources on the Hurricane that could have more usefully spread across more products!
A twin turbo V6 would fit in everything they sell except the Hornet….

If I have the opportunity to buy an Explorer with a 3.0 V6 with 400 hp and 415 ft lbs of torque why would I buy a Grand with 270 Hp from either engine?
BTW all the Suffolk County Ny police units are Explorers, I think I used to see a few Durangos but not recently. I have seen a few Chargers used by the State Troopers. Stella REALLY missed the boat on conventional powertrains!

 

I’ve said this multiple times if we can’t have a V8 in the Grand, why is Stella incapable/unwilling to offer at least some of what Ford does with their turbo engines? Yeah the Hurricane is great and all but currently it seems to fit ONLY in a full size pick up. Instead of using their resources to offer various versions of the already proven Pentastar!
FoMoCo:
2.3 4 cy
2.7, 3.0, 3.5 V6.
totally outclasses ANYTHING Jeep has for Wrangler or the Grand.
And before someone goes off on that tangent yes I know that an in-line six is in perfect primary and secondary balance I have driven one for 27 years and 182,000 miles in my 98 ZJ Grand. It runs as new, only repairs has been a couple of crank sensors, water pump & radiator (15 years ago), just put in the crank sensor a couple of months ago. I think Stella wasted engineering resources on the Hurricane that could have more usefully spread across more products!
A twin turbo V6 would fit in everything they sell except the Hornet….

If I have the opportunity to buy an Explorer with a 3.0 V6 with 400 hp and 415 ft lbs of torque why would I buy a Grand with 270 Hp from either engine?
BTW all the Suffolk County Ny police units are Explorers, I think I used to see a few Durangos but not recently. I have seen a few Chargers used by the State Troopers. Stella REALLY missed the boat on conventional powertrains!

It would be one thing if the didn't offer competitive drive trains if they didn't have engines for the various vehicles. But they do. So why keep knee capping decent vehicles with no upgrades. I had hoped that at the very least they'd offer the Hemi again as an upgrade, but no, we get an inferior to Ford, a lousy turbo 4.

 

I miss the turbo whine from my turbo cars

 

There's no sound like it. Well, except for the whine of the blower on the HC. That was pretty awesome, too.

 

NO = 145 HP
LO = 185 HP
SO = 201 HP
MO = 225 HP
HO = 250 HP
GO = 285 HP
WO = 320 HP

 

Given that Durango appears to be gone, and WL and WL-L sales are struggling to keep up to WK2 levels, perhaps Jeep ought to rethink its product portfolio strategy and make Cherokee the 2-row variant, and Grand Cherokee the 3-row variant.

 

Durango isn't gone. It was announced that the current generation will continue through '28.

 

Next gen 2.0 is reportedly going into production in a few months or a year.

 

Let's see how many versions they make. It should be something like this:

LO= 200 HP
SO =250 HP
HO= 300 HP

 

2.0 Turbo, for the GC, well I drove a couple of Wranglers with it, but unless they add some significant hp and torque it will not give the GC what it needs, the 3.0 Ecoboost V6 in the Explorer that has 400 hp and 415 ft lbs of torque. I'm getting closer to thinking about one of these...

 

Like the two year delay between old and new Cherokees.
Like the two years Chrysler had one vehicle to sell (under three or four names).
Like dropping all cars under $28,000 and/or getting good mileage without needing hybrids.
Like putting both STLA Large plants outside national borders.
Like always pushing a midsized pickup back a few years.
Like letting Ford run almost unopposed with the Bronco... the Recon is out when?

 

... Like letting Ford run almost unopposed with the Bronco... the Recon is out when?

Adding a second thought to this What about the Bronco Sport? Renegade - which 2027.. right around the time I'm sure Ford is going to be doing some refreshing and upgrading. How is Jeep going to even compete if it can't 1 - lower their pricing, 2 - allow Dodge & Chrysler a cheap FWD or heaven-forbid, a RWD variant of it. People still like Renegades, they still buy them - as new as they can because they stopped importing them here after the update everyone else got.

 

Supposedly they were going to put JGC onto STLA Large with this iteration but who knows if that's still happening for 2026, or pushed back to 2038?

 

How many Grand Cherokee refresh compared to Durango refreshes? 😳

 

I'm pretty sure they didn't originally intend for the Durango to last this long. I think when they started opting the Hellcat hoods on the GTs, that was the end of the original plan and they were just using the parts. That was in 2019. lol - here we are 6 yrs later, with the Durango being the only vehicle in the Dodge lineup with a v8 option.

it just speaks to p*ss poor planning, imo.

 

Someone make me a trail rated, electrified, 3 row
Please. Call it a GC, a Wagoneer, a Liberty, a Durango. I don't care

 

Word on the street is that the current standard engine will be discontinued and replaced with a higher output 2.0 Hurricane, with the 4xe as the optional powertrain. Doubtful it gets the inline 6 in this generation but would love to be wrong.

It was supposed to get the Hurricane three or four years ago, as in "official announcements." But they were also supposed to have another Hurricane line by now, I think. Production's been slower than it should be from what I heard. A higher output 2.0 would be good to have if it could produce high torque at low rpm, as the Hurricane does.

I’ve mentioned this a few times over the last couple of years…Hurricane was canceled for the GC.

 

You did indeed confirm that. I was thinking maybe it was on the way for the 2026 even if not for the prior "generation."
I wonder if they'll shove a Hemi in again... abandon the whole Hurricane thing... that would be bizarre.

 

When posting on IG, you also post on Facebook and Threads.

but only to people who follow Jeep. They want everyone getting their news only from them, and chosen writers who have kissed the feet properly.

eh - it would be nice to be able to plug it in when we run into the grocery store on a level 2 and come back out 30 minutes later and have it be full or close to it. Right now the paltry little 24 mile range takes almost 2 hours if the battery is down to 15%. That's a bit ridiculous considering the charge rates on other PHEVs and EVs.

Ouch. Okay, that is a bit slower than I thought.

I tend to agree. Particularly since electric only operation is intended as a short range/city efficiency booster. In electric mode the Wrangler falls short of the economy figures.

I do understand the problem a bit though. The range on mine is so close but sometimes it would be nice to get that extra 5 miles out of it ilto get home.

I will say that I am very unimpressed with the quality of STLA vehicle software. I don't know if the issue is competency, or management/deadlines. But the quality control is abysmal. The UX itself is well thought out fwiw. The implementation is not so good.

Interesting... all three points.
What kinda surprised me is how long the "low battery wreaks havoc" problem was out there. Almost as though they refuse to assign engineers to maintenance and improvement of existing software once a car is released. (Guess why I think that.)

 

I think for PHEV, faster charging is not all that important, right? It's a matter of how much you can do on all electric and fixing reliability and diagnostic ability.

 

No, faster charging could have benefits.

• topping off while you shop, more stores are adding chargers in the parking lot
• more regenerative charging should be able to occur

But yes, without reliability improvements none of the rest matters

 

It would be a shame if the 4xe V2 isn't in this refresh, considering JL and JT are to get it for 26MY I would hope that either the GC gets it now as well, or the 2026 4xe is a short production run and MY2027 4xe comes early 2026.

@HotCarNut would the alleged updates in the V2 4xe be enough if the charging wasn't terribly improved (which is also dependent on the available charger, since most at-home level 2 chargers cap at either 10 or 19.2kw)? Gen4 ZF Transmission which will have almost double the torque output capability and quite possibly over 100hp gain. If it is coupled with the new V2 Hurricane4, this could be a great option. That said, I do agree, I wish my Wrangler had an e-only "force electric mode when possible" just like it has e-save for gas use.

The real question is whether you are willing to wait 12-18 months for this to come to fruition?

 

As an actual owner I'm not very impressed. Especially the engine choices. I have zero desire to have with a noisy four cylinder even with a turbo. The Pentastar, in this application is smooth as silk and very economical.

 

Apparently only posted on Instagram for whatever reason..

 

Apparently only posted on Instagram for whatever reason..

That interior reminds me of the burgundy available on Escalade. Hopefully that makes it into the W/GW since they gave the GC the center console.

 

Looks like a nice slight evolution. Which is fine, I like the current styling, and the interiors.
Looks like the nice bay of mechanical buttons are gone though :/
And the kept a lot of piano black :/

 

Word on the street is that the current standard engine will be discontinued and replaced with a higher output 2.0 Hurricane, with the 4xe as the optional powertrain. Doubtful it gets the inline 6 in this generation but would love to be wrong.

 

It was supposed to get the Hurricane three or four years ago, as in "official announcements." But they were also supposed to have another Hurricane line by now, I think. Production's been slower than it should be from what I heard. A higher output 2.0 would be good to have if it could produce high torque at low rpm, as the Hurricane does.