[David S]

Toyota is a popular whipping boy for sure. No car maker on the planet has a better rep for quality than Toyota. They dont try to make a commuter car or small SUV to be something it is not. They dont put a ton of money into making a non performance car into one.....they put their skills into making cars that are long running with low cost of ownership. Something old Chrysler, Daimler, FCA and now Stellantis simply have never done. Now if you need a high performance tape and spoiler kit, Dodge or Jeep is the King.

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Toyota started with an economy FWD hatchback, just like Dodge did originally with the GLH(S).

On the other hand the base 200 HP Hornet is missing.

 

[Dave Z]

“They don’t try to make a commuter car or small SUV into something it is not.”

Scion TC was certainly a commuter car made into something it was not.

 

[World14]

I wonder how much of Dodge's absolute rock bottom performance on the new JD Power survey was helped by the Hornet? By no metric has the Hornet been a reliable vehicle.......or a good selling vehicle.

Probably the same way the Pacifica has been hit: the hybrid is the terrible one to get, and that's the one people most complain about.
I'm sure there's electrical glitches in the GT's too, but mixed with the hybrid driveline, I'm sure that's a case of pure, unfiltered chaos.

 

[johnb300m]

I think the Hornet could've been a pretty good seller if it was a tad bit more reasonably priced.
OH! And if only "every single ONE" wasn't BROKEN in every review video I've ever seen on a Hornet.
I think only now, are there some (barely) reviews out there where a Hornet doesn't light up with warnings.
The damage is done. It now has the reputation as a turd, and dealers are still not even advertising them, nor are they even putting them on display!

 

[Dave Z]

“Priced for rebates.”

Given that the Tonale was out first and had similar teething problems, you'd hope someone was no longer at the company now.

 

[Erik Latranyi]

A PHEV from Italy?

Yer bound to get on first name basis with the Roadside Assistance truck driver...

This is subjective, but the Tonale looks better and appears bigger than the Hornet. I know it’s an optical illusion but the Tonale fits its lines while the Hornet looks awkward.

Again, styling is subjective

 

[Dave Z]

I think you're reading some of your personal views into it, too. I like the Hornet's looks.

I'd love to see some research on car designs among people who aren't really into cars, to see how much influence the brand name has on the ratings. I don't mean to imply this possible bias is just you, it's powerful in all of us, including the people who research it.

 

[johnb300m]

This is subjective, but the Tonale looks better and appears bigger than the Hornet. I know it’s an optical illusion but the Tonale fits its lines while the Hornet looks awkward.

Again, styling is subjective

Thanks to Savagegeese, anytime I see the name Tonale......I think of toe nail. 💀

 

[David S]

“They don’t try to make a commuter car or small SUV into something it is not.”

Scion TC was certainly a commuter car made into something it was not.

TC was a sporty car in base model, a minimum of 160 HP, and relatively thirsty at 23 mpg.

Compare that to an actual commuter car from 2005, a 132 HP Neon or 130 HP Corolla at 25-29 mpg. Or even worse a 108 HP Echo at 31 mpg (and related xA and xB).

 

[Dave Z]

TC was a sporty car in base model, a minimum of 160 HP, and relatively thirsty at 23 mpg.

Compare that to an actual commuter car from 2005, a 132 HP Neon or 130 HP Corolla at 25-29 mpg. Or even worse a 108 HP Echo at 31 mpg (and related xA and xB).

I didn't find it especially sporty in actual driving. I'd be curious as to 0-60 and 40-60 times. Neon was a better balanced car. Corolla handling left something to be desired. The Echo was pretty poor in my experience, lousy real world mileage, lousy acceleration, lousy handling, and so-so ride with a cheap interior; better off with a base Corolla which at least was comfortable, rode nicely, and quieter (and gave you a speedometer in front of the driver, though maybe today I'd appreciate a center speedo since I need bifocals to read my speed).

 

[Adventurer55]

The Hornet is another product created on the back nine. I hope the new managers moving forward will forget about the Hellcat mentality that took over Auburn Hills.

 

[David S]

I didn't find it especially sporty in actual driving. I'd be curious as to 0-60 and 40-60 times. Neon was a better balanced car. Corolla handling left something to be desired. The Echo was pretty poor in my experience, lousy real world mileage, lousy acceleration, lousy handling, and so-so ride with a cheap interior; better off with a base Corolla which at least was comfortable, rode nicely, and quieter (and gave you a speedometer in front of the driver, though maybe today I'd appreciate a center speedo since I need bifocals to read my speed).

0-60 7.5 early cars 6.9 later models. Same as the 150 HP Neon R/T for the early car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15132327/scion-tc-road-test/

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/0411-sccp-2005-scion-tc-review/

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[Dave Z]

0-60 7.5 early cars 6.9 later models. Same as the 150 HP Neon R/T for the early car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15132327/scion-tc-road-test/

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/0411-sccp-2005-scion-tc-review/

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Well, that IS impressive. I don't remember it being impressive to drive, which is why I suggested the 40-60 as well. Some cars are really good at screaming to 60, but when you need power at speed, it's not there.

 

[baddak313]

The Toyota Corolla F/X-16 was a fun little car in the late 80's. A friends dad worked at a Toyota dealerhip and brought one home every chance he could. He always brought home manual transmission cars. Not Dodge Omni GLH quick, but very fun to drive.

 

[N.leo]

I don't see the point in driving a RAV4...

Depends on priorities. A lot of people want something that wont pop a code weekly.
They want a large cargo space.
They want the good outward visibility.
They want that boring ownership experience.
They want the near guarantee of high resale value.

For me I like the fact that its built in my Province. Would I buy it? Possibly, Its on my list as a Hybrid LE is the same price as a Hornet.

 

[Rob Johnson JR]

0-60 7.5 early cars 6.9 later models. Same as the 150 HP Neon R/T for the early car.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15132327/scion-tc-road-test/

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/0411-sccp-2005-scion-tc-review/

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That website is completely off its rocker with those times.....at least for the 2012 XB.

We bought a used 2013 XB in 2017 after her beloved 07 PT Limited Turbo almost killed her when it had a complete electrical failure in a driving rainstorm.

Even the low pressure turbo PT was fun and had good acceleration and I was concerned that the XB would not be fun to drive at all. But it was fun to drive actually even though it did not accelerate like the PT.

But the site above stating an XB with the 2.4 Auto went 0 to 60 in 7.4 is complete and total BS. The Edmunds link shows what most other magazines did at the time....a 0 to 60 time of around 8.6.

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