the bland side profile puts me to sleep. Why oh why couldn't they put a recessed or coved accent line connecting the headlight to the taillights? And I forget who pointed it out, but the trend toward double fenders has been completely worn out. Hope we see a trail rated version of the (non-Grand) Wagoneer.

 

he spoke my mind

 

Oh god, I can't get past the first 2 seconds in his videos when he gets really dramatic with his pronunciation of "this."

 

That is if the Wagoneer they've been talking about isn't a car, but the sub-brand.

They have made it a bit confusing, really.

 

This is on the Detroit News site today.
Design chief 'lost sleep' over wood-grain panels on new Jeep Grand Wagoneer (at https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/chrysler/2020/09/03/design-chief-lost-sleep-over-wood-grain-panels-new-jeep-grand-wagoneer/5705714002/ )

 

Maybe people are not liking the design well because the original wasn’t a SUV, it was marketed as a Station wagon. And they tried to force the design on a larger SUV.

 

Except they didn't. They didn't force one iota of Wagoneer into the design. Maybe people are bitter because they've been teasing SJ designs all the way up until the release, that maybe they expected it to have.. Something from the original.. maybe just something other than the grille crown and the name?

 

The side view with its chunky pillars was reminding me of something, and it finally hit me what it was: The second-generation Isuzu Trooper. My mom had one of those, I thought it was a great-looking truck. (Pic here if you need a reminder...I'm not saying they're identical twins.)

Now that I've had time to think about it, the blacked-out pillars make it look a bit too much like a Lincoln or GM SUV. I think that would've been the "me-too" direction. The body-colored pillars telegraph "ruggedness"...which, fair enough, some people may feel is incompatible with "premium".

Ideally, Jeep would just offer different trim levels with and without blacked-out pillars, and let customers buy their preference. That or put the blacked-out pillars on Grand Wagoneer, and leave the body-colored pillars for Wagoneer.

Edit: Also, I think this would have gone over better if they had chosen any color other than white for this reveal.

 

The side view with its chunky pillars was reminding me of something, and it finally hit me what it was: The second-generation Isuzu Trooper. My mom had one of those, I thought it was a great-looking truck. (Pic here if you need a reminder...I'm not saying they're identical twins.)

 

I like this........ Use of the "bronze chrome" or black chrome looks amazing......

 

My main issue with it is it's too low to the ground. It would work great as a Chrysler or Ram SUV, but it needs to have more ground clearance to look rugged enough to be an actual Jeep.

 

To be fair, it was on 24" wheels and we don't know what settings it was on. ( Controls suggest air)

 

Analysis: It's Time to Accept That Jeep Is a Luxury Brand (at https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a33926915/jeep-luxury-brand-analysis/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_medium=social-media&src=socialflowFBCAD )

 

Analysis: It's Time to Accept That Jeep Is a Luxury Brand (at https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a33926915/jeep-luxury-brand-analysis/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_medium=social-media&src=socialflowFBCAD )

Which is why I'm out as soon as the Compass lease expires. That Jeep is asking Lexus and Audi prices for the likes of moderately equipped Renegade and Compass is preposterous. I won't have left Jeep, Jeep has left me.

 

This is funny....

For copyright reasons I won't include a picture of Donald Duck. But whenever I see a Tesla 3 approaching from the front I see the face of Donald Duck...

 

Analysis: It's Time to Accept That Jeep Is a Luxury Brand (at https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a33926915/jeep-luxury-brand-analysis/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&utm_medium=social-media&src=socialflowFBCAD )

Great article. Thank you for sharing.

 

If you want to discuss various forms of coffee and other non-Wagoneer related topics, please go here:
coffee, etc., was Grand Wagoneer better hurry....... (at https://www.allpar.com/forums/threads/coffee-etc-was-grand-wagoneer-better-hurry.226997/ )

 

Curious to what this button does.. seems to be a window switch (possibly tailgate) but had seen reporting that they weren’t able to incorporate an opening window on the tailgate due to width.. View attachment 30111

Turns out it's just to show/hide the screen. Gilles confirmed no such design to roll down the tailgate. It was a BS reason, if you ask me, since toyota still does it in their less-expensive SUVs too.. its one of the reasons I feel like it was design by committee. I think the roll down window or a clamshell tailgate would be more appreciated than a giant melt-your-head sunroof of doom. lol

 

Disappointing but maybe they’ll surprise us with something more in the standard model.. time will tell

 

To me, the concept appeared to have a split rear hatch.

 

Just out of curiosity, what do competing vehicles have in terms of the rear hatch? Navigator, Escalade, QX80, etc? I honestly don't know, I don't pay a lot of attention to this segment. But I would think that with a vehicle this big, a split tailgate is almost a necessity.

My own car (Mitsubishi Outlander) is one that evolved from a split tailgate to a conventional liftgate. Same platform, but the last heavy refresh (2008 I believe) changed the squared-off back end with split tailgate to the rounder, sleeker version they have now. I liked the idea of the split tailgate, but it's my understanding that they axed it due to NVH and weight issues (which are pretty important factors, admittedly).

 

A quick googling gives me that they all have a lift-gate.

 

Could The Jeep® Grand Wagoneer Tow Beyond 10,000 LBS? - Mopar Insiders

Jeep officially said that when the production version of the Grand Wagoneer arrives next year, it will have “unmatched towing capability”. So if the Ford Expedition and the unibody-based Dodge Durango both within a few hundred of the 9,000 lb. towing rating, it wouldn’t surprise us by Jeep’s statement if the production version of the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer has a 10,000+ towing capacity when properly equipped. This would allow the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer to tow around a 26-foot travel trailer with gear and family loaded up in the vehicle.

While the concept vehicle boasted an unknown plug-in hybrid (PHEV) powertrain, we can confirm that the Grand Wagoneer Concept did feature the famed Quadra-Drive® II 4×4 system and Selec-Terrain® Traction Management System with five drive modes (Rock, Sand/Mud, Auto, Snow, and Sport) from the Grand Cherokee.

I though we are getting QD3 . Hope they added more enhancement to the current QD2.

The Grand Wagoneer Concept also the Quadra-Lift air suspension. Quadra-Lift features full-time four corner load leveling and can change the ride height of the vehicle with the push of a button. The system is a closed type air suspension design, that results in faster ride height changes.