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Hurricane I6 Finally Revealed

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#1 ·
From Autoblog:


After years of rumored development, Stellantis has revealed its new six-cylinder engine family. The 3.0-liter, twin-turbocharged "Hurricane" I6 will offer V8 power, forced induction torque and six-cylinder efficiency in a package designed to fit into any of the company's North American rear-wheel-drive platforms.

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What is "V8 power," exactly? Well, in standard output guise, the new I6 cranks out more than 400 horsepower (the specific figure will vary by application) and 450 pound-feet of torque, while the high-output variant is good for more than 500 horses and 475 lb-ft. The final figures will be dependent on the application. We'll save you a little legwork: In current Ram, Jeep and Dodge products, the 5.7-liter Hemi tops out at about 395 hp and 410 lb-ft, give or take, and the 6.4-liter around 485 hp and 475 lb-ft.

This is a clean-sheet design that is only related to the company's turbocharged four-cylinder by some common measurements. The I6 is exclusively direct-injection (no hybrid/port-injection here) and the two I6 variants share 96 common parts, including the block and oil pan design. The differences are found in their internals, intake plumbing, valvetrain components and the turbochargers themselves. Stellantis is not yet ready to share specs or supplier info for the turbos but says announcements will come from its partners soon.

The standard-output I6 has a compression ratio of 10.4:1 and revs to 5,800 rpm. It will run on regular fuel, albeit with reduced performance; 91 octane is recommended for maximum output. The high-output variant has a compression ratio of 9.4:1 and will rev to 6,100 rpm. That one will require premium.

The new I6's advantages go beyond basic power output. Every Hemi family engine currently in production is based on an iron block design, so they're heavy. The aluminum-block I6 shaves weight off the total engine package, even if some of that gets added back thanks to the turbos and their associated plumbing. The standard-output I6 weighs 430 pounds, Stellantis engineers told us; the high-output adds just another 11. Fully dressed 5.7-liter V8s are in the 550-560-pound ballpark, and 6.4-liters close in on 600 pounds.

You may be wondering, "Why a clean-sheet gasoline engine now, when the industry is moving toward battery-electrics?" A valid inquiry, and one Stellantis was prepared to address. While the company will be pivoting to electrification over the next decade, it won't be instantaneous. This engine family was engineered with electrification (hybrid or plug-in) in mind, however Stellantis wouldn't say when we'll see those hybrids. Think of this as a bridge between ICE and BEV.

In fact, the company's propulsion team stayed incredibly tight-lipped about what to expect in terms of applications. In practical terms, it will fit anywhere the 3.6L Pentastar V6 or Hemi fits, provided you're talking about RWD platforms. For those who want to do their own measuring, the standard output Hurricane measures 33.4 inches x 28.7 inches x 32.7 inches. The high-output checks in at 33.9" x 29.0" x 33.4".

That said, don't expect Stellantis to start chucking the 3.6-liter in favor of the 3.0TT in its mainstream cars. Just because it can fit doesn't mean Stellantis will do it; look how long it took us to get a Hemi in a Jeep Wrangler. And don't expect it to pop up in any Stellantis products built overseas, either. This engine family was designed primarily for North America; only American-built export models will be in the running for the time being.

We won't have to wait long to find out exactly where it will appear. Stellantis finally confirmed rumors that the engine has been in production since November and says the first products to utilize it will materialize within a matter of months, not years. We're supposed to see the first one — a Jeep, and the smart money is on the new long-wheelbase Wagoneer — at the New York International Auto Show in April.

 
#3 ·
We haven't seen HP and torque curves to compare.
Could be the T6 provides better grunt through the range. Or it could be like a lot of "more powerful" engines replacing an old design- the peak is higher but useable power off peak often is lower.
 
#9 ·
Comparisons:
5.7 Hemi - 395 hp/410 lb-ft of torque
3.0 GME T6 SO - 400+ hp/450 lb.-ft of torque

6.4 Hemi - 485 hp/475 lb-ft of torque
3.0 GME T6 HO - 500+ hp/475 lb.-ft of torque

These are impressive numbers from an engine that is half the displacement and 125 lbs lighter. Kudos to all the engineers that worked on this new engine. I can't wait to read some reviews of the vehicles that deploy these engines. And I am curious to see what the EPA mileage numbers will be too.
 
#38 ·
Comparisons:
5.7 Hemi - 395 hp/410 lb-ft of torque
3.0 GME T6 SO - 400+ hp/450 lb.-ft of torque

6.4 Hemi - 485 hp/475 lb-ft of torque
3.0 GME T6 HO - 500+ hp/475 lb.-ft of torque

These are impressive numbers from an engine that is half the displacement and 125 lbs lighter. Kudos to all the engineers that worked on this new engine. I can't wait to read some reviews of the vehicles that deploy these engines. And I am curious to see what the EPA mileage numbers will be too.
So far it looks very promising.
 
#15 ·
The 3.0-liter Hurricane twin-turbo I-6 shares design features, including bore and stroke and cylinder spacing, with the globally produced turbocharged 2.0-liter I-4.

 
#33 ·
Meanwhile the entire rest of the auto industry (including Stellantis) is moving toward full electrification. This engine would have been pretty exciting 5 years ago. With the market shifting I'm not sure anyone outside of Mopar enthusiasts are going to be pretty excited.

I'm curious whether development costs of this engine will even have enough time to amortize out before it falls out of use.
 
#39 ·
I suspect this will be much like the 2.0T in Wrangler.
Did it perform better than the 3.6 Pentastar? Yes, in some circumstances it did. Especially in EPA ratings. Did it perform better in the "real world"? Yes and no.
Same can be said for Ford's EcoBoost. Better for EPA ratings. Better for some real world users, but far from all.
 
#40 ·
Sigh... all of the acronyms that we didn't want to see.

DOHC
ESS (that reportedly cannot be defeated)
DI
FI
VVT

Not to mention a high octane requirement which adds $0.60 to every gallon required for a fill-up.

Looks like the days of simple, reliable, OHV engines that are easy to keep on the road forever are gone. Thankfully there will be a good supply of 2023 and older engines on the market for many years to come.

And they can spare me the "lots of engines with DI and turbos have high mileage on them" speech... I've had the misfortune of working on DOHC, VVT, turbo engines and it's a complete nightmare compared to say, a Hemi or a GM LS engine.
 
#56 ·
Not to mention a high octane requirement which adds $0.60 to every gallon required for a fill-up.
So just like the 392? Or the midtier recommended for the 5.7? I'm sure the low output version can run on regular if wanted, almost all turbos that aren;t straight performance-orientated have the option now
 
#49 ·
I've beat this dead horse basically since this engine was rumored. It's here now apparently and let's see how many are willing to pony up 2k more. It's like the 80s all over in a way. Ford and GM are steady with their V8s in larger trucks, with no plans to discontinue at least in the near future. Stellantis NA appears to be going in the opposite direction. The last time they did this in the 80s with turbos, the market changed, caught them flatfooted, then had to play catch up with V6 and V8 engines. Only time will tell.
 
#50 ·
Not replying to anyone in particular.

This is why we can't have nice things.

“Look, we have a 500 horsepower inline six that gets better mileage than the 392!”

“DEVIL HEATHENS! THE SKY IS FALLING! I WANT CARBURETORS BACK!"
 
#76 ·
Back in 2006 one of the engineers who was going to work on the project came to my desk and asked to borrow a book I had on military aircraft so they could pick a name for the new engine which as we know became the Hurricane. Now 16 years later the engine finally shows up for production................................ Thank God for "rapid prototyping".
 
#81 ·
Wrangler 4xe comes close to 392 in acceleration. Hurricane HO beats 392 in power ratings...

My guess: when they make a hybrid version of this thing, it will meet or beat at least the original Hellcat.
 
#88 · (Edited)
From Autoblog:


After years of rumored development, Stellantis has revealed its new six-cylinder engine family. The 3.0-liter, twin-turbocharged "Hurricane" I6 will offer V8 power, forced induction torque and six-cylinder efficiency in a package designed to fit into any of the company's North American rear-wheel-drive platforms.

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What is "V8 power," exactly? Well, in standard output guise, the new I6 cranks out more than 400 horsepower (the specific figure will vary by application) and 450 pound-feet of torque, while the high-output variant is good for more than 500 horses and 475 lb-ft. The final figures will be dependent on the application. We'll save you a little legwork: In current Ram, Jeep and Dodge products, the 5.7-liter Hemi tops out at about 395 hp and 410 lb-ft, give or take, and the 6.4-liter around 485 hp and 475 lb-ft.

This is a clean-sheet design that is only related to the company's turbocharged four-cylinder by some common measurements. The I6 is exclusively direct-injection (no hybrid/port-injection here) and the two I6 variants share 96 common parts, including the block and oil pan design. The differences are found in their internals, intake plumbing, valvetrain components and the turbochargers themselves. Stellantis is not yet ready to share specs or supplier info for the turbos but says announcements will come from its partners soon.

The standard-output I6 has a compression ratio of 10.4:1 and revs to 5,800 rpm. It will run on regular fuel, albeit with reduced performance; 91 octane is recommended for maximum output. The high-output variant has a compression ratio of 9.4:1 and will rev to 6,100 rpm. That one will require premium.

The new I6's advantages go beyond basic power output. Every Hemi family engine currently in production is based on an iron block design, so they're heavy. The aluminum-block I6 shaves weight off the total engine package, even if some of that gets added back thanks to the turbos and their associated plumbing. The standard-output I6 weighs 430 pounds, Stellantis engineers told us; the high-output adds just another 11. Fully dressed 5.7-liter V8s are in the 550-560-pound ballpark, and 6.4-liters close in on 600 pounds.

You may be wondering, "Why a clean-sheet gasoline engine now, when the industry is moving toward battery-electrics?" A valid inquiry, and one Stellantis was prepared to address. While the company will be pivoting to electrification over the next decade, it won't be instantaneous. This engine family was engineered with electrification (hybrid or plug-in) in mind, however Stellantis wouldn't say when we'll see those hybrids. Think of this as a bridge between ICE and BEV.

In fact, the company's propulsion team stayed incredibly tight-lipped about what to expect in terms of applications. In practical terms, it will fit anywhere the 3.6L Pentastar V6 or Hemi fits, provided you're talking about RWD platforms. For those who want to do their own measuring, the standard output Hurricane measures 33.4 inches x 28.7 inches x 32.7 inches. The high-output checks in at 33.9" x 29.0" x 33.4".

That said, don't expect Stellantis to start chucking the 3.6-liter in favor of the 3.0TT in its mainstream cars. Just because it can fit doesn't mean Stellantis will do it; look how long it took us to get a Hemi in a Jeep Wrangler. And don't expect it to pop up in any Stellantis products built overseas, either. This engine family was designed primarily for North America; only American-built export models will be in the running for the time being.

We won't have to wait long to find out exactly where it will appear. Stellantis finally confirmed rumors that the engine has been in production since November and says the first products to utilize it will materialize within a matter of months, not years. We're supposed to see the first one — a Jeep, and the smart money is on the new long-wheelbase Wagoneer — at the New York International Auto Show in April.

If it makes 400 or 500 HP then they should make a standard non turbo version of say 310 HP that doesnt cost $2000 extra . Thats more than strong enough for Grand Cherokee or Durango . This would be a great selling point . Cars are too expensive now without adding another $2000 to them . They could use that and sunset the Pentastar . Straight normally aspirated I6's are great . Have it my Ascender which is a Trailblazer it has been a wonderful engine . Hooked to the ZF 8 speeds it should work great .
 
#89 ·
If it makes 400 or 500 HP then they should make a standard non turbo version of say 310 HP that doesnt cost $2000 extra . That more more than strong enough for Grand Cherokee or Durango . This would be a great selling point . Cars are too expensive now without adding another $2000 to them . They could use that and sunset the Pentastar . Straight normally aspirated I6's are great . Have it my Ascender which is a Trailblazer it has been a wonderful engine . Hooked to the ZF 8 speeds it should work great .
That's what the turbo 4 is for. T4=6 T6=8