However it's done, one would theorize that existing engine plants would build this, so some things would be common with other power plants. Bore spacings etc.

 

I've also heard the rumor of a VW-like "VR6" arrangement with staggered cylinders.

 

I've also heard the rumor of a VW-like "VR6" arrangement with staggered cylinders.

Unfortunately this engine will be a straight 6.

 

Now that would be a compact 6 cylinder that should fit in the place of all 4 cylinder applications. Thanks.

 

How out of line can an Inline engine be before it's a V configuration?

 

It is firing order and crank structure. A better name for a "narrow angle V6" would be an "Offset bore Inline six". If that helps.

 

Everything old is new again.

 

They don't need to install it in FWD transversal configurations. The largest vehicle FWD transversal configuration is Pacifica and it will be served just as well (better?) by a 2.0 l4 turbo. For any other vehicle that requires more power, they have RWD platforms available.

 

If FCA thinks FWD does not need the inline 6, they are, once again, not understanding the North American market.

 

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Lancia hint, eh?

So, maybe, possibly, a Straight-Six implementing a rather narrow-V . If that's the case, that seems to be a prudent application; specifically since if they'd want it to be capable of use in Transverse or North-South architectures.

( Spooky, though ... they must've been recording my sleep-talking ).

{ I attempted 4x this morning trying to put this simple message up, but it only churned at that time each time I tried }

 

I measured the engine in a 2.4 500X. I think the six would fit into transverse settings if they moved stuff around a bit.

 

Dave ... Are you, in a back-handed way, admitting out in the open that you're a Closet Packaging Engineer?

 

I know it's more complicated than “gee, there’s an empty space here” and that it’s very hard to do. But I also know the engineers are very very clever. I doubt the six would ever be used in something like the Compass, but it might work in something wide like the Pacifica. I do think the main goal is not mainstream cars but large cars and high end Jeeps and Rams and such.

 

What if an inline six was the base engine for Chryslers?

 

Pulling off a super modern inline six would technically and profitabilitywise be a major product building acheivement. If V8's must go away then a charged inline six would be the next best thing. If the market stays like it is then having the most advanced six out there would also be quite a coup in Alfas, Dodge, Jeeps, even Rams and Maserati. How about a Chrysler 300 with a 400 hp inline six? A 600 horsepower Challenger SRT inline 3.6? How about diesel inline sixes for Ram and Wrangler.

 

As unusual design from the past there is also this inline supercharged 8 cylinders, but instead of 4 + 4 -> 3 + 3

 

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Any hints : I know it's quite early, but I'm wondering if Straight-Sixes typically clock in heavier, around the same, or lighter than a V6 counterpart of the same displacement .

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Should be heavier than a v6 due to a longer block and crank.
- on the other hand it has just one camdrive and the single longer head shoud be lighter than the 2 v6 heads.
- on the other is the fact that the inliner needs to have a stiffer block and crank, read heavier..
- on th...
Actually i know of no inliner thats considered compact, light and fuel efficient.
- ok the slant was actually quite a fuel sipper but thats it.
I can only se one use for a small inliner and that is for use in highend sedans were its considered exotic..rwd only.

 

I know, we take the I 6 and cant it at a 45 degree angle.... and call it...wait for it. A slant 6.

 

Or "one half of a V12"

 

I would not be surprised if it leaned a bit, really. But I WOULD be surprised if they called it a slant six.

That was a very durable engine but rarely particularly efficient “as produced” because they were cheap with the carb and such.

 

What kind of power would you expect from this motor? The new 5 series straight T6 does 60 in 4.9. I know some will argue that BMW isn't a direct competitor but without getting into that do you expect that the Tornado will perform similarly?

 

I would assume a twin turbo version’s goal would be around 400 hp. I do not have that information. That's an assumption based on the ancient five year plan chart and people saying it's intended to replace the Hemi in most places. I suspect 380 hp would also be reasonable if the torque curve was good.

 

All that low end torque will be nice.

 

What's the reasonable debut? 2022 or 2023? With FCA, many things can and probably will change by then. Until it's rolling down the line at whatever engine plant builds it, I'll believe it then. If they roll back mileage and emission standards further, the Hemi will continue I'd bet.

 

What's the reasonable debut? 2022 or 2023?

2019-2021, I'm thinking now.

 

Unfortunately this engine will be a straight 6.

Works for me! The old breadbox design had huge trade offs to get the smaller footprint.

 

Should be heavier than a v6 due to a longer block and crank.
- on the other hand it has just one camdrive and the single longer head shoud be lighter than the 2 v6 heads.
- on the other is the fact that the inliner needs to have a stiffer block and crank, read heavier..
- on th...
Actually i know of no inliner thats considered compact, light and fuel efficient.
- ok the slant was actually quite a fuel sipper but thats it.
I can only se one use for a small inliner and that is for use in highend sedans were its considered exotic..rwd only.

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Your input is duly noted. Thank you -

We'd also have to consider that it is a slight 'Left Turn' from the prototypical Straight-Six/Inline Six inasmuch as it is possibly reportedly of the Staggered cylinder Inline variety.

If the Block is dictated by old school standards, i.e. Iron, then it could easily be a heavy-ish engine. However, I was also wondering if recent metallurgy has yielded a strong, but lighter-weight substance which could be a worthy cost-effective stand-in for the traditional stuff to give us a more advanced block. I can only hope. ( I know nothing about these, other than they've been used as block material at some point, and are lighter than straight-up Iron : Aluminium/Aluminum, Magnesium, CGI Iron ). Pro's and Con's to each, no doubt.

Hollow Crank? Intake and Exhaust manifolds?

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I thought I had read someplace years ago that research was being done to someday be able to use ceramics for parts of...if not the whole engine block.

I wonder whatever became of that research?

 

The same metallurgy advances applies to v6´s also.

 

The proof is in the pudding, of course, but I am convinced that the Tornado will end up being significantly less expensive to produce than the equivalent Pentastar.

 

I am convinced that the Tornado will end up being significantly less expensive to produce than the equivalent Pentastar.

I would assume that to be the case.

As a side note, I’m not at all convinced it’ll be a W.

 

Forgive my ignorance but wouldn't a slant 6 be ideal for packaging concerns to keep the hood low? With a beefy alternator, and plenty of electric drive accessories (compressor/ water pump/ steering) I feel like you can configure the packaging quite a bit and still keep the profile low.

 

Barra 325T FGX Sprint
The final variant of the 4.0-litre I6 cylinder turbo-petrol engine featured in the FGX XR6 Turbo Sprint. The engine employs an over-boost feature for 10 seconds when optimal atmospheric conditions are met when under full throttle, boosting power & torque to 370 kW and 650Nm.

Power: 325 kW (436 hp) @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 576 N·m (425 lb·ft) @ 2750 rpm
Ford Barra engine - Wikipedia (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Barra_engine#Barra_325T_FGX_Sprint )

Point being, I think 400 is on the very low side of what to expect from this engine. 450HP / 450 ft-lbs should be expected, at least in 5.7 Hemi (and maybe even higher, if 6.4) replacement form.

 

400 easy; 450 is probably the ceiling, though. Scaling the 4-cylinder Alfa engine's outputs by a factor of "up to 1.5x" would be a good indicator of the high-performance tune...

So, with that in mind, I'd imagine you're looking at 360, 400, 450; any closer to 500 is unlikely (technically possible, but where's the market?). For hybrids, I think the better solution will be a large electric motor for low-speed torque, coupled with a turbo four for cruising duties.

 

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