[Zagnut27]

I don't think you'll get a reply back right away 😂

Yeah, noticed that after I hit post. Lol.

 

[mentalicca]

There hasn't been too many teething problems with the Hurricane. But, as an older potential buyer who would like to have one last new truck before I croak I welcome back the Hemi. It's a fairly simple design which I prefer at my age. A 1500 with it in it would do everything I could possibly ask for in a pickup. So maybe when our WL is paid off I'll go truck shopping.

Just remember, you get the same teething problems by setting up manufacturing in a new plant with new (or at least new to them) tooling. I would expect the US built Hemis to have more problems the first year of production. Assume that it is "brand new engine", just like people are leery of a first model year vehicle. Doesn't matter that we built it already, the manufacturing expertise for that engine is in a different country.

 

[Adventurer55]

Just remember, you get the same teething problems by setting up manufacturing in a new plant with new (or at least new to them) tooling. I would expect the US built Hemis to have more problems the first year of production. Assume that it is "brand new engine", just like people are leery of a first model year vehicle. Doesn't matter that we built it already, the manufacturing expertise for that engine is in a different country.

And by the time our WL is paid off there will probably be a years worth of production.

 

[Tomguy]

I've loved the Gen 3 Hemi. I've owned at least four of them (3 5.7s and a 6.4) and I wouldn't trade in my 6.4 on anything other than MAYBE a widebody Hellcat unless someone else comes out with a nice looking, reliable, four door RWD sedan or WAGON (ideally). Maybe I'm in a minority but that minority sure as hell bought a lot of Chargers and Challengers and 300s during the last decade.

However, I'd be lying if I didn't say that eating a lifter wasn't on the back of my mind (or dropping a valve seat in my first Gen 3 06 Charger after both cooling fans cracked and my temp spiked albeit briefly). Hell, I even bought a tool to cut open my oil filters to keep an eye out for debris. Thankfully the tick in my 5.7 Durango was JUST the exhaust manifolds... but that brings up the key purpose of this post:
The Gen 3 Hemis have known weaknesses and bringing them back or keeping them around without fixing them is just plain dumb.

Here's how I view it: I can buy a Hurricane 6 which already has a laundry list of known issues coming up, or the Hemi engines I've had for decades, and stay on top of the oil changes and cut my filters open... OR just keep the Hemi I have because it's not going to be changed for anything substantial if/when it returns - not to mention that I'd just be looking at an even higher payment for a car I almost never drive, when I can experience the same thing in my 2021.

You want to bring Hemis back? Amazing! But not the same engines PLEASE. Gen 4 time. Make a Hellcat replacement. Keep the cam in block design - we don't need anything like Ford's modular series. Make it out of cast aluminum and aim for 200lbs lighter fully dressed. Make the lifter oiling system not suck, AND use more robust lifters and stronger cams. Oh, and more girth on the manifold studs for the LOVE OF GOD. I don't care if you use the same lifters that GM uses that have nowhere near the failure rate of the Hemi engines. Lower displacement - you can still get 700+ horsepower from under 6 liters, RELIABLY. The NA version "SRT" can still be 6 liters, but should be 550 HP NA. I don't think that's unreasonable to ask, and I wouldn't mind sacrificing low-end power to get it - I drive a performance sedan, not a truck. The base non-SRT engine should be 4.0-5.0 liters, target of 375 horsepower, on regular gas. Truck engines can be that or the 6 liter SRT engine with regular gas heads / cam / tune / whatever just like there's a truck 6.4 right now.

Make it loud. Make it reliable. Maybe even offer a limited run of 2000 cars per year, for 3 years (750 sedans, 750 coupes, 500 wagons) with a flat plane crank widebody version for "Track" car fans, and put me on that factory order list today for the widebody flat plane wagon because I want one now. And do a few "Street trucks" with the SRT engines, 2000 two door, 2000 four door, LOWERED.

No financial compensation desired for these ideas. Guaranteed to sell boatloads (if not priced like the 23 MY SRT/Scat cars - see 2020-2022 sales/pricing success). Only desired compensation is the ability to factory order the wagon I want. Make it Sinamon Stick or Plum Crazy. Thanks. 💘

PS: Bring back the Trackhawk.
PPS: Make a CR-V or RAV4 competitor. The Hornet is not one. Drive a CR-V and ask CR-V owners why, if unsure. That can be your CAFE fleet car for "In case" sanity returns to govern.

 

[serpens]

Here's how I view it: I can buy a Hurricane 6 which already has a laundry list of known issues coming up

So I hear this, but see nothing to back it up. The thermostat issue has been addressed and software flashes have been solving other teething issues that have popped up since launch. What's this laundry list of issues you're hearing about?

PPS: Make a CR-V or RAV4 competitor. The Hornet is not one. Drive a CR-V and ask CR-V owners why, if unsure. That can be your CAFE fleet car for "In case" sanity returns to govern.

The Compass debuts in Europe first, but then is coming here and is a CRV competitor.

 

[Tomguy]

So I hear this, but see nothing to back it up. The thermostat issue has been addressed and software flashes have been solving other teething issues that have popped up since launch. What's this laundry list of issues you're hearing about?

I've heard it - whether accurate or not - on YouTube, read it on Forums, etc. If it's not accurate then the company needsa to get out in front of it by marketing it as reliable. The EcoBoost engines are known to have many fatal flaws (wet timing belts, oil pump belts, etc).

The Compass debuts in Europe first, but then is coming here and is a CRV competitor.

Similar interior volume, powertrain options, ride, handling, economy, AND reliability? Not just "Close enough"?

 

[serpens]

Similar interior volume, powertrain options, ride, handling, economy, AND reliability? Not just "Close enough"?

You asked them to make a competitor, not a CRV clone. I don’t know how it drives or the reliability, but it will have hybrid powertrains and similar interior space. If you’re expecting a CRV clone then you’ll for sure be disappointed.

 

[Tomguy]

That's part of the problem with the thinking at the company. If it's competitive with a market leader, it's a clone? No. It doesn't need to be a clone. But if I'll be disappointed, then I'm reading that means it's junk.

 

[serpens]

That's part of the problem with the thinking at the company. If it's competitive with a market leader, it's a clone? No. It doesn't need to be a clone. But if I'll be disappointed, then I'm reading that means it's junk.

I would expect a Jeep to have different priorities than a Honda, that's all. A Chrysler entry in this segment, however...that would be a different story.

 

[valiant67]

I would expect a Jeep to have different priorities than a Honda, that's all. A Chrysler entry in this segment, however...that would be a different story.

I agree, a Jeep should have different priorities except quality. No matter the segmentation of the market Jeep competes in they need to match quality.
And if Jeep is the only one offering in the segment from Stellantis (ignoring the slow selling Hornet) the comparison is going to be made and Jeep is going to lose out in many cases. Sales numbers tell the story sadly.

 

[movaldes]

People don't want the little, buzzy, unreliable I-6. That's just all there is to it.

How many Hurricane powered vehicles have you test driven or sat in, with the engine running?
What exactly makes the Hurricane unreliable?
I'll wait...

 

[mentalicca]

How many Hurricane powered vehicles have you test driven or sat in, with the engine running?
What exactly makes the Hurricane unreliable?
I'll wait...

That user has been banned, might as well move on with the conversation

 

[Tomguy]

I would expect a Jeep to have different priorities than a Honda, that's all. A Chrysler entry in this segment, however...that would be a different story.

You said it was the CR-V competitor. Is it a Jeep, or a CR-V competitor?
If it's a Jeep, that's fine, but why is the company focusing on the Jeep and not the market volume they sorely need?
If it's not a Jeep, why does it have a Jeep badge? (I know, this dead horse is an ancient one for Allparians to keep beating, but here I am...)

 

[serpens]

You said it was the CR-V competitor. Is it a Jeep, or a CR-V competitor?
If it's a Jeep, that's fine, but why is the company focusing on the Jeep and not the market volume they sorely need?
If it's not a Jeep, why does it have a Jeep badge? (I know, this dead horse is an ancient one for Allparians to keep beating, but here I am...)

I don't believe being a CRV competitor and a Jeep are mutually exclusive. If it's around the same size and price, have similar powertrains available, and the exact same body style then they're going to be treated like competitors by the market regardless of what line you decide to draw with the brand name.

As far as the "why does it have a Jeep badge?" statement, I referenced that in my earlier post - a direct point for point competitor would be better under the Chrysler badge. Best case scenario would be that they both have vehicles in that segment that highlight their different priorities.

 

[Adventurer55]

Another site is reporting that Hemi production starts in August at Dundee. Everything except the 6.4 BGE, including evidently 5.7, 6.2 and non BGE 6.4. Improvements are coming as well.

 

[HotCarNut]

Another site is reporting that Hemi production starts in August at Dundee. Everything except the 6.4 BGE, including evidently 5.7, 6.2 and non BGE 6.4. Improvements are coming as well.

I'm curious about a number of things:
1. What are the improvements?
2. Why keep the 5.7L when the 6.4L is the same cost to produce?
3. Which output will they choose for the 6.2L?

BIGGEST question:
When the take rate for the HEMI mirrors or is less than what Ford and GM are seeing for V8 options in 1500 series trucks, will the haters on here FINALLY give the Hurricane the credit it deserves? Just curious...

FWIW - the Hurricane runs circles around the Ecoboost. The more I drive the HO version, the more I'm convinced it will take electric motors in a strong hybrid setup to make it any better.

 

[Adventurer55]

I'm curious about a number of things:
1. What are the improvements?
2. Why keep the 5.7L when the 6.4L is the same cost to produce?
3. Which output will they choose for the 6.2L?

BIGGEST question:
When the take rate for the HEMI mirrors or is less than what Ford and GM are seeing for V8 options in 1500 series trucks, will the haters on here FINALLY give the Hurricane the credit it deserves? Just curious...

FWIW - the Hurricane runs circles around the Ecoboost. The more I drive the HO version, the more I'm convinced it will take electric motors in a strong hybrid setup to make it any better.

One thing the article also said was a possible larger version is in the works as well. Maybe the 7.0 that was planned.

 

[GasAxe]

I can’t deny that it would be cool to see the 426 return. I could see it being a relatively popular option as well, regardless if the Hurricane has superior performance. I just don’t see how these moves won’t come back to severely bite them in the *** when the inevitable change in political priorities happens.

 

[Adventurer55]

Given the current climate, I don't think they have a choice. They're in business to sell product, and if your products don't have what people want you don't sell many.

 

[kevin m. Henry]

I can’t deny that it would be cool to see the 426 return. I could see it being a relatively popular option as well, regardless if the Hurricane has superior performance. I just don’t see how these moves won’t come back to severely bite them in the *** when the inevitable change in political priorities happens.

If there is a larger displacement engine in development ot would make more sense for it to be a replacement for the BGE 6.4 truck engine.