PS - I am seeing TONS of videos on YouTube of Tundra hybrid owners having catastrophic engine failures.

People report blowing engines on Tundras with 30,000, 40,000, 50,000 and 60,000 miles.

 

Toyota didn't use the UltraDrive transmission in its new vehicles?

 

 

I was seriously considering the new Tacoma at one point. Glad I got a Gladiator instead. The Jeep has been flawless and a JOY to drive!

 

LOL, a ch*nk in Toyotas armor!
Hopefully more issues will surface at Toyota!

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Did some former Ford engineers move to Toyota ?

 

This or they also hired engineers from Renault-Nissan, GM, VW, BYD, etc....

 

...Stellantis...

 

When it was the Old Original Chrysler, pre-Daimler, anybody that went to another company was considered a traitor.

 

What? A Yoda that isn't flawless? Say it ain't so.

 

$36,000 in a transmission & module is wild. I don't think I've seen any 4XE (for comparisons sake) with a warranty bill like that.

 

Toyota (like GM of the past) is finding it harder to stay on top.

 

Well, it IS hard to stay at the top. As Mr. Toyoda said around a decade ago, the bigger the company, the harder to manage, and it's exponential after a certain point.

It's why Johnson & Johnson’s core principles include NOT being too large. Over a certain size, they split the company. J&J is a federation of companies, each run separately, in alignment with shared principles and culture. It's how they manage the inability to manage something like Stellantis or Volkswagen or Toyota.

 

What’s not mentioned is that this goes beyond the issues of big companies being hard to manage. It is really about unproven technology applied in the quest for ever greater efficiency. Be careful what you wish for; it comes at a cost and even mighty Toyota-San sometimes gets tripped up. Did this happen with the classic 4.0 V6 5 spd auto in the 4Runner or the 5.7 V8 Tundra? I don’t think so. Those 2 vehicles were a high point of Toyota reliability….

 

What’s not mentioned is that this goes beyond the issues of big companies being hard to manage. It is really about unproven technology applied in the quest for ever greater efficiency.

The same applies to ever greater performance, e.g. 1,025 horsepower 6.2 Hemis.

 

I agree. What we are witnessing across Toyota appears to be engineering complexity running amok.

This wouldn't explain the issues GM is currently having with the 6.2 V8, though...

 

I agree. What we are witnessing across Toyota appears to be engineering complexity running amok.

This wouldn't explain the issues GM is currently having with the 6.2 V8, though...

yes it would, Tundra motor and GM 6.2 both are due to the casting and machining issues

 

Yeah, but think of the excellent resale value!

 

Yes, Toyotas still command top resale. At least for the time being, until the word gets out.

Having said that, Toyota has a reputation for fixing its quality gaffes. Even if it takes them a year or two.

So most Toyota buyers are likely still willing to take a chance under the presumption that they will be taken care of if anything were to happen.

 

GM's problems, as well as FoMoCo's and FCA's is just old school cost cutting in most cases, and the solution is to spend what it takes to build enough quality to avoid all the bad press.
Even Toyota gets tripped up pushing the envelope of ever greater tech. What this tells us, unless you don't mind paying these crazy prices to be an "experiment" and have them do their beta testing on you, is the point of diminishing returns has been reached.
In the past Toyota has gone above and beyond with fixing things that caused a lot of problems like the frame rust issue and the problems with the new twin turbo V6 in the Tundra and other models. I fear that they will never attain the reliability and long life of their previous gold standard engines. Watch the prices of Gen 5 4 Runners and the previous V8 Tundra climb. It's already happening. People aren't stupid.

 

What’s not mentioned is that this goes beyond the issues of big companies being hard to manage. It is really about unproven technology applied in the quest for ever greater efficiency. Be careful what you wish for; it comes at a cost and even mighty Toyota-San sometimes gets tripped up. Did this happen with the classic 4.0 V6 5 spd auto in the 4Runner or the 5.7 V8 Tundra? I don’t think so. Those 2 vehicles were a high point of Toyota reliability….

The common thread between the Tundra engine failures and now these Tacoma transmission problems is that they are finding metal shavings in the oil. So these problems seem to originate in manufacturing. Whether it is due to poor quality control or sabotage remains unclear at this point.

 

A lot of manufacturers are too busy sprucing up their vehicles with all of the latest bells and whistles, the part that people see, instead of concentrating on the bones and guts of what makes a vehicle run, that is the parts that really matter.

The first priority should be to get a vehicle to perform reliably, but it may not look so good, but once they accomplish that, then then they can proceed to make it look pretty.

I work at an airport, they are spending a lot of $$$ to finish a new terminal, the part that the customer sees, but they are spending hardly anything on new equipment or a new facility to maintain all of the ground support equipment needed to make planes fly, the part that the people usually don't see or care about.

But what everyone fails to realize is, if that ground support equipment is not properly maintained, those planes will not leave the ground.

 

Don't forget that they made crap cars in the olden times, too.
Ford Fairmont had a ridiculous number of serious recalls.
Chrysler R bodies had no new technologies but all sorts of flaws.
Camaro was a POS in the 1970s with basic assembly and design errors.
Every pickup and most sedans rusted out their rear fenders very quickly.
I could go on.

I don't wish for problems for Toyota, I wish for more compelling and solid products for stellantis.

 

Early Toyota (late 1960's-into the 1970's) were pretty bad too. Rust, bad automatic transmissions but they fixed those problems over the years.

 

M son was going to buy a new Tacoma but kept hearing lots of stories about problems with the 4-cyl turbo engine among other things. He decided to buy a certified '22 TRD Off-Road with 24K miles instead. Good move.

 

There was a stop sales on the 2024 Taco due to transmission issues. Dealers had numerous trucks waiting for new transmission as they were on being shipped , stuck on a boat in the ocean..

reminds me when the Cherokee came out with the 9-speed, some people did not make it home after a test drive and some did not even complete a test drive. Head guy over the 9-speed transmission disappeared like Jimmy Hoffa

 

My memory suggests that Japanese cars of the 70’s were prone to premature body rust & blown head gaskets. However for Toyota these problems seemed to be dealt with by the late 70’s early 80’s when quality was much improved. Gradually the other Japanese manufacturers made similar improvements…I did own a 1980 Honda Civic that was prone to rust even after being rust proofed (such as it was back then. Any little stone chip turned into a rust pit quickly…

 

I'm even more satisfied by the 292 horsepower and 260 lb-ft from my V6 that also produces 0-60 quite similar to the first-gen Hemi in the same car (different transmission), and also gets over 30 mpg highway. That said, the new Cherokee looks like quite a deal overall.

Toyota has never been flawless, they just fix their problems quickly. When I had corolland, I saw the new gens always brought the same number of complaints as new Mopars, but they were very active in pursuing and fixing them.

 

I'm even more satisfied by the 292 horsepower and 260 lb-ft from my V6 that also produces 0-60 quite similar to the first-gen Hemi in the same car (different transmission), and also gets over 30 mpg highway. That said, the new Cherokee looks like quite a deal overall.

Toyota has never been flawless, they just fix their problems quickly. When I had corolland, I saw the new gens always brought the same number of complaints as new Mopars, but they were very active in pursuing and fixing them.

Something Mopar should be aggressive at doing.

 

It's the difference between the ones who have lines and the ones who have rebates.

 

I had a toyota Supra, driving down the road , heard some tapping sound.
2 new cams and lifters I was back on the road. Sold it the next year. A couple years later bought another Supra, this one used. Same thing happened. Now this was before the internet, Found out later when reading a magazine that this motor had this issue due to some of the oil return journals were blocked.

I had to pay out of pocket both times. Later the EPA or whomever forced the Foriegn companies to post tsb's and recalls as Honda had a slew of issues and nobody knew about it.
My 2001 Taco frames rusted in tow right at the firewall. Found out when removing the skid plate to removed dried up mud. when turning the bolt, the welded in nuts broke loose, not at the weld , but on the frame. You could stick a screw driver through the frame in places..