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I had a '12 Charger SRT and I'd buy a new Scat Pack over another SRT because it has the options that I want.

The R/T - SRT thing doesn't matter to me, we all know the Scat Pack is really an SRT anyway.
 
Oh? Get anything just as fun?
Unfortunately not as fun, traded it in for a SXT AWD Charger. It's now the wife's car. My "toy" is currently the '14 Durango R/T (not as fast, but waay more practical). The Green Go and Yellow Jacket colors in the '17s really makes me want to trade her Charger in for a Scat Pack lol.
 
Agreed! Repackaged with additional equipment and smarter pricing! :)

The Scat Pack Challenger and Charger offer incredible bang for the buck.

Mike
What are you talking about? The only base equipment added was the 8-speed and 8.4" radio. Everything else was carry-over or optional. That's not much "repackaging," and again, all that extra equipment costs money and was still available when the Super Bee was around (in the form of the SRT 392 package).

I do not understand how anyone could argue that the Scat Pack and Super Bee are not the same car, except for the continuous improvements made via the refresh. You guys sure love to have your cake and eat it too around here...
 
What are you talking about? The only base equipment added was the 8-speed and 8.4" radio. Everything else was carry-over or optional. That's not much "repackaging," and again, all that extra equipment costs money and was still available when the Super Bee was around (in the form of the SRT 392 package).

I do not understand how anyone could argue that the Scat Pack and Super Bee are not the same car, except for the continuous improvements made via the refresh. You guys sure love to have your cake and eat it too around here...
Just stop Jerry... We have moved on in the discussion and your comment continues to reinforce what I have previously said... You just choose to say it a different way.

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Just stop Jerry... We have moved on in the discussion and your comment continues to reinforce what I have previously said... You just choose to say it a different way.

Mike
It doesn't reinforce anything you've said - the statements are in direct contradiction to each other.
 
It doesn't reinforce anything you've said - the statements are in direct contradiction to each other.
I am not interested in arguing with you.

The discussion has moved on.

Mike
 
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What are you talking about? The only base equipment added was the 8-speed and 8.4" radio. Everything else was carry-over or optional. That's not much "repackaging," and again, all that extra equipment costs money and was still available when the Super Bee was around (in the form of the SRT 392 package).
I do not understand how anyone could argue that the Scat Pack and Super Bee are not the same car, except for the continuous improvements made via the refresh. You guys sure love to have your cake and eat it too around here...
2014 Dodge Charger Super Bee:
Base price: $45,380.
Example options: Convenience Group II ($595), HID headlights ($595), Black roof ($1,500), Uconnect touch-screen navigation system ($1,195), Summer tires ($150), Paddle shifters ($295)

2016 Dodge Charger Scat Pack:
Base Price: $39,995. That is $5,385 (or ~13.5%) less.
Paddle shifters available stock ($295 saved).
uConnect 8.4 stock but nav is a $695 option ($500 saved).
Just for those two, you're looking at a sticker of $40,690, which would have been $46,870 on the previous Bee.

For comparison purposes, you can get a 2016/2017 Scat Pack with heated & cooled suede seats for about $4k less than a base cloth-seat 2014 Scat Pack. Note: I believe the 2014 prices I found did not include destination, so I did not in the 2016 pricing.

Calling the two the same car is not accurate, unless you are only referring to the 6.4, 4/2-pot Brembos, and suspensions. The car costs less, has the 8 speed vs 5 speed, and is much better packaged. It's like comparing an SRT from 2006 with one from 2012.
 
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2014 Dodge Charger Super Bee:
Base price: $45,380.
Example options: Convenience Group II ($595), HID headlights ($595), Black roof ($1,500), Uconnect touch-screen navigation system ($1,195), Summer tires ($150), Paddle shifters ($295)

2016 Dodge Charger Scat Pack:
Base Price: $39,995. That is $5,385 (or ~13.5%) less.
Paddle shifters available stock ($295 saved).
uConnect 8.4 stock but nav is a $695 option ($500 saved).
Just for those two, you're looking at a sticker of $40,690, which would have been $46,870 on the previous Bee.

For comparison purposes, you can get a 2016/2017 Scat Pack with heated & cooled suede seats for about $4k less than a base cloth-seat 2014 Scat Pack.

Calling the two the same car is not accurate, unless you are only referring to the 6.4, 4/2-pot Brembos, and suspensions. The car costs less, has the 8 speed vs 5 speed, and is much better packaged. It's like comparing an SRT from 2006 with one from 2012.
Correct and thank you for the details. The former Super Bee was repackaged as the Scat Pack with equipment changes and smarter pricing. .

Now it is probably best to move on with the discussion.

Thanks!

Mike
 
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Correct and thank you for the details. The former Super Bee was repackaged as the Scat Pack with equipment changes and smarter pricing.
Exactly the point, they heard the market & listened. I ASSUME the sales differences speak for themselves, I know I have personally seen WAY MORE Scat Pack Chargers in the 1 year they've been out than I saw (or still see) of the 2nd gen Super Bees. The Scat Pack is by far one of the best priced performance vehicles in the market. The SS can't touch it, and really it's the only competitor, since the SHO I still feel is more like an R/T comparison (and not a fair one for the SHO either).
Some people forget either how little you got in the Super Bees, or how much you paid for them. They were not like the 1st Gen LX Super Bees.
 
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Exactly the point, they heard the market & listened. I ASSUME the sales differences speak for themselves, I know I have personally seen WAY MORE Scat Pack Chargers in the 1 year they've been out than I saw (or still see) of the 2nd gen Super Bees. The Scat Pack is by far one of the best priced performance vehicles in the market. The SS can't touch it, and really it's the only competitor, since the SHO I still feel is more like an R/T comparison (and not a fair one for the SHO either).
Some people forget either how little you got in the Super Bees, or how much you paid for them. They were not like the 1st Gen LX Super Bees.
I couldn't agree with you more... well stated and so true!

Mike
 
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2014 Dodge Charger Super Bee:
Base price: $45,380.
Example options: Convenience Group II ($595), HID headlights ($595), Black roof ($1,500), Uconnect touch-screen navigation system ($1,195), Summer tires ($150), Paddle shifters ($295)

2016 Dodge Charger Scat Pack:
Base Price: $39,995. That is $5,385 (or ~13.5%) less.
Paddle shifters available stock ($295 saved).
uConnect 8.4 stock but nav is a $695 option ($500 saved).
Just for those two, you're looking at a sticker of $40,690, which would have been $46,870 on the previous Bee.

For comparison purposes, you can get a 2016/2017 Scat Pack with heated & cooled suede seats for about $4k less than a base cloth-seat 2014 Scat Pack. Note: I believe the 2014 prices I found did not include destination, so I did not in the 2016 pricing.

Calling the two the same car is not accurate, unless you are only referring to the 6.4, 4/2-pot Brembos, and suspensions. The car costs less, has the 8 speed vs 5 speed, and is much better packaged. It's like comparing an SRT from 2006 with one from 2012.
Correct and thank you for the details. The former Super Bee was repackaged as the Scat Pack with equipment changes and smarter pricing. .

Now it is probably best to move on with the discussion.

Thanks!

Mike
Nice, except for one thing: Those are not the right numbers to be comparing...

Firstly, that inflated Super Bee price INCLUDES a gas-guzzler tax. Thank the EPA for that, not Dodge. The Base MSRP was $41,495. There is only a $1500 difference in base prices. Destination charges are the same, at $995. Even with the guzzler tax, the difference is only about $2500. Considering that the technology is older now, it makes sense why they can lower the costs of this package, but it's not as big of a difference as you make it seem. Nearly half of the initial difference is a gov't-imposed fine!

(When you start adding equipment, the difference grows, but that's not what the Super Bee was built for. If you wanted options, you should have just moved to the SRT. Additionally, the discussion was over base prices, not "as equipped" prices.)
 
Sigh...

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The Base MSRP was $41,495.
Even if the difference was/is "Only" $1500, the Scat Pack still has the 8.4 standard, paddle shifters standard, 8 speed vs 5 speed, and other items previously discussed. It is a better value proposition than the original plan was, and if you could have found / walked out of the dealer with a Super Bee for anything under $45k as-ordered/equipped, more power to you. You can walk out of the dealer with a Scat under $41k sticker, on the other hand. And that's before haggling on price. I'm sorry you don't see that, we're trying to present logic & facts to help inform you.
 
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It doesn't reinforce anything you've said - the statements are in direct contradiction to each other.
You do seem to be bickering quite a lot lately. Perhaps you can take some more time to explore the other person's point of view and see if they are actually right?

Tomguy seems to be persuasive. So does Mike V.

Even if the difference was/is "Only" $1500, the Scat Pack still has the 8.4 standard, paddle shifters standard, 8 speed vs 5 speed, and other items previously discussed. It is a better value proposition than the original plan was, and if you could have found / walked out of the dealer with a Super Bee for anything under $45k as-ordered/equipped, more power to you. You can walk out of the dealer with a Scat under $41k sticker, on the other hand. And that's before haggling on price. I'm sorry you don't see that, we're trying to present logic & facts to help inform you.
 
Even if the difference was/is "Only" $1500, the Scat Pack still has the 8.4 standard, paddle shifters standard, 8 speed vs 5 speed, and other items previously discussed. It is a better value proposition than the original plan was, and if you could have found / walked out of the dealer with a Super Bee for anything under $45k as-ordered/equipped, more power to you. You can walk out of the dealer with a Scat under $41k sticker, on the other hand. And that's before haggling on price. I'm sorry you don't see that, we're trying to present logic & facts to help inform you.
Those are a generational changes, though! The body is different too, in case someone didn't notice.

I sold these - you could easily get a Bee for under $45K, because most people/dealers understood what these cars were and ordered them with few options. (When you added options, it made more sense to just get an SRT.)

Did you participate in the original thread years ago about the Super Bee/Core packages? They (the Core/Super Bee) were the worst things ever at that point, they made no sense, who aspires for a that kind of car, etc... Now, basically the same package is available and it's the best thing since sliced bread! It's frustrating. People change their minds/opinions every time they encounter a flatulent ant around here...
 
You do seem to be bickering quite a lot lately. Perhaps you can take some more time to explore the other person's point of view and see if they are actually right?

Tomguy seems to be persuasive. So does Mike V.
They're only persuasive if you forget all the things they've said previously. To me, they sound like contrarians. One need only look at this thread to see that.

And sorry for bickering about all the double-speak around here, but it's becoming pervasive. This was the issue with all the Jeep discussions, and now it's spreading everywhere else, it seems.
 
repackage
verb re·pack·age \(ˌ)rē-ˈpa-kij\

Simple Definition of repackage:

  • to put (something) into a new package
  • to present (something) to the public in a new or more attractive way
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary

That's enough bickering for one day!
 
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