When you walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and call yourself a duck, don't be shocked when everyone calls you a duck Sergio.

 

I don't see anything inconsistent here. SM has a vision. He clearly understands what isn't going to work well. Obviously, his prerogatives include growing Alfa, FIAT, Maseratti, Jeep, and FCA(and its collaterals) until he retires. And it's not his first rodeo.

 

As I have said a hundred times before, he is look for more of an alliance than a merger. An alliance would cut cost of future powertrains, architectures and development and save the company billions as well as making them in a better position to bring products to market quicker. DSM (Diamond Star Motors) was a prime example of this. Chrysler and Mitsubishi had a long beneficial relationship with one another. But it lead to some wonderful products and powertrains over the years.

 

Oh boy another merger/alliance thread!! Owwwwww...I feel like an ice pick just went through my left nostril up into my brain. Yeah...just like that.

 

.. I think this is the first time where I don't listen to the plans, ideas, etc, and just see what comes, because Sergio.. likes to talk. lol

 

He sure does. It annoys the heck out of me.

 

Diamond Star worked for a bit. It was more diamond then star IMHO. What's the current result? A closed factory. An alliance is a tricky deal to procure and more times then not the benefits one side more then the other. Could an alliance with Hyundai work? Sure. Would each company be willing and honest to open up the books so the other one can look? I doubt it.

 

IIRC they spent quite a bit in warranty claims on the 90-98 turbo cars. I know the one I had back in the day sure liked to break every few weeks....

 

His spiel on EV’s certainly won’t help him, Bahaahaa! Classic!
I agree with him 100%. It’s all a money game, but he don’t seem to want to get onto this segment. It’s not cheap, no doubt. So, yes, I guess he’s looking for someone else to team up with to push this BS through for awhile at least. When you’re a salesman, “More money than brains” is always a good motto!

 

Definitely not a total denial

 

I don't always agree with Sergio's vision for Chrysler but did appreciate him speaking up on current stupidness on the environment and ev vehicles

 

Well we better watch JEEP and RAM

 

 

For all those who continuously moan that his only aim is to sell out.

“It’s incorrect to assume that FCA’s future hinges on doing a deal,” he said.


Marchionne Stokes Ferrari SUV Interest, Rules Out Jeep Sale (at https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-09/marchionne-stokes-ferrari-suv-interest-rules-out-jeep-spinoff )

 

C'mon Alfacuda, don't write exactly what he said otherwise it bursts the delusion that he's just looking to sell FCA.

How are we supposed to have our fun grumbling, coming with pejorative terms like Mergionne or conplaining about the damn Italians stealing all the moneys?

 

For each quote of Sergio saying that he is not interested in selling, one can find another stating the exact opposite. And we on here pick the quotes we like and dismiss those we don't, and sit tossing quotes at each other trying to prove what by now is unprovable.

With the nonstop barrage of contradicting statements, the only thing one can conclude at this point is a wide number of afflictions, ranging from a mild case of a loose tongue, to a serious case of lack of vision, to a more severe case of multiple personality disorder.

Dr. Phil.

 

...or a case of obsessive/compulsive disorder on the part of certain Allpar members who feel the need to bring up the topic over and over when there's really nothing new. I agree that there is lot's that may seem contradictory or another way of looking at is that Sergio's perspective has never changed. He'll do a deal if it's right. That deal hasn't come along and so FCA marches on in it's current form.

 

I guess we know who decided my (meant to be humorous) comments represented them. Sorry guys wasn't meaning to seriously attack anyone's mental state. I find it easiest to just relax and let some of the chatter by Sergio go. It feels like we really struggle to do that on Allpar at times and are poster children for beating dead horses.

 

Look at the vehicles in the past two model years that have been sold have had global architecture done by joint ventures...

GM Fiat Small Architecture

2015 to Present Jeep Renegade (BU)

2017 to Present Jeep Compass (MP)

2015 to Present Ram ProMaster City (VM)

Mitsubishi GS Architecture

2007 to 2017 Jeep Patriot (MK74) and 2007 to 2017 Jeep Compass (MK49)

2008 to Present Dodge Journey (JC)

Shared Mercedes SUV architecture

2011 to Present Jeep Grand Cherokee (WK2)

2011 to Present Dodge Durango (WD)

Shared Mercedes Car Architecture

2011 to Present Chrysler 300 (LX)

2011 to Present Dodge Charger (LD) and 2011 to Present Dodge Challenger (LA)

FCA and PSA Peugeot Citroen shared Commercial Van Architecture

2014 to Present Ram ProMaster (VF)

So as you can see a lot of the lineup at FCA US has been developed thanks to joint ventures... this does not include the CUSW platform which debuted as a joint venture by Fiat and Chrysler because the two were not merged at the time but I kept that out of the list.

 

Exor/Agnelli/FCA would need to have a controlling interest in Hyundai/Kia, Honda, Mazda, or something close to that. It would need to be an established automaker - needing a cash-infusion or a partner (in a bad way) so that they could continue doing what they do best. Otherwise, there is no viability(for FCA).

We have already seen what sharing a platform looks like(FIAT 124). While a lot of us are fans here, the rest of the world just sees a "Fiata." So- that - alone isn't gonna cut it.

Sergio has said as much. And he values the brands, he has, to grow the company. They all have their important contribution.

 

Sergio has said as much. And he values the brands, he has, to grow the company. They all have their important contribution.

LOL That is precious!

Sergio just said the rest of the company is a “stump” without Jeep!!!!

 

One of the problems of several articles is that they report only part of sentences and too many times they do not write what the question was, infact many of the phrases are short responses to questions made by journalists or financial analysts.

Maybe someone would prefer that Sergio Marchionne or John Elkann to not answer questions by journalists or financial analysts.

Strange none posted here something about what John Elkann said last week.

 

One of the problems of several articles is that they report only part of sentences and too many times they do not write what the question was, infact many of the phrases are short responses to questions made by journalists or financial analysts.

Maybe someone would prefer that Sergio Marchionne or John Elkann to not answer questions by journalists or financial analysts.

Strange none posted here something about what John Elkann said last week.

You mean this maybe ?

John Elkann: "Non c'è alcuna intenzione di vendere la nostra quota di Ferrari!" (at https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/john-elkann-non-ce-alcuna-intenzione-di-vendere-la-nostra-quota-di-ferrari-961778/ )

 

All I remembered about him, it's when he said this:
"When I see a Range Rover on the street, my blood boils, because we should be able to do a thing like that. And we will.”

Hope this will happen in the near future.
Make it real Sergio.

 

All I remembered about him, it's when he said this:
"When I see a Range Rover on the street, my blood boils, because we should be able to do a thing like that. And we will.”

Hope this will happen in the near future.
Make it real Sergio.

Land Rover reliability makes Jeep's look stellar; you rarely see Land Rovers on the trails any more. And it charges stratospheric prices for one-twelfth the volume Jeep sells in N.A. Land Rover is a has-been brand kept alive by swanky styling and paparazzi shots of the royal family.

The day Marchionne turns Jeep into Land Rover I'll buy something else.

 

Yes, like that.
For example John Elkann, that is also FCA's chairman, said that Sergio Marchionne will continue to work for Exor, as he is doing now, after 2019 when he will leave FCA.

 

I think we have known this here for some years.

That is why the next CEO will not be free to change too much......Marchionne will still be looking over his/her shoulder.

 

You know, if the apocalypse ever actually comes about, I promise to turn off the ignore just so I can read all the "I told you so's". Until that comes to pass all the hate is just getting to be too much. Thanks again to Dave for providing such a great site.

 

If......God forbid......the apocalypse includes the detonation of one or more EMP devices......all the hate (from whatever source)....will all be for nothing.

* Electrical grid fried
* Internet (including Allpar) fried
* Almost all cars built after the 1970's.....fried......Right back to the days of horses and carts.
* Electronic devices (with the probable exception of vacuum tube radios......provided you have some electricity to run it).....fried

And besides......hate can be so tiring. Ever tried to stay angry with a friend or loved one you've ever had an argument with? Hard to stay angry......isn't it?

My apologies for this straying slightly off topic.

 

An EMP (assuming from a nuclear warhead detonation in space) is not as god awful Armageddon as it sounds. Don’t believe the hype. First off, not a ton is absolutely known about this. Lots of Data is based purely on calculations. There is also lots of data generated from nuclear tests. No nuclear tests have been done in the US since 1992, so any data from that is very old. The US Navy has the most data on emp’s, their ships are built (an tested) to survive them.

The grid is a lot more robust than it was then. As green tech takes over (solar, wind, etc) the centralized (and therefore more vulnerable) nature of the grid is diminished and spread over a wider electrical and geographic area.

As somewhat of an expert... on my personal List-of-Poopies-to-Be-Worried about, an EMP goes about level with being probed by Schwartzennennenennaggarraaar’s Predator.

 

stop talking and work on making mopars the best !

 

One other issues was this that no one talked about in 2015.

 

Fiat a nightmare for Chrysler, they are killing Chrysler with those Fiats

Why don't they stay in Italy, who needs them, who needs Alfas???