Ma Stella coulda, woulda, shoulda, brought something over here, a hybrid AWD smaller truck. They have the Rampage. They promised a new Dakota. They had an opportunity. They have the technology, even if it isn't the greatest. There was a hole in the market. Key word "was." Looks like my next car will be a Maverick Hybrid AWD.
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Sure. But with everyone standing outside the HR Dept. for the voluntary buyouts, who's gonna get'er done?
If they had AWD with the hybrid available last month when we purchased the Bronco, I might’ve opted for the Maverick instead. The Bronco is a really cool vehicle and we love it, but an AWD Maverick hybrid would’ve checked a lot of boxes too. Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Yeah, it’s a good vehicle. Its been in production since June 2021, soooo…no excuse at this point.
Just like ford took the escape powertrains in put them in the maverick, the compass/hornet powertains could have worked. Whether hornet sold or not, the phev powertrain in the hornet has the specs for a compact truck. But forum people aren’t the experts.
And my god, that image on the link showing where trade-ins on mavericks coming from. Almost like you can get customers in the door with entry level priced products that people want to buy. I traded a hyundai elantra in, so you can see my bucket.
Just like ford took the escape powertrains in put them in the maverick, the compass/hornet powertains could have worked. Whether hornet sold or not, the phev powertrain in the hornet has the specs for a compact truck. But forum people aren’t the experts.
And my god, that image on the link showing where trade-ins on mavericks coming from. Almost like you can get customers in the door with entry level priced products that people want to buy. I traded a hyundai elantra in, so you can see my bucket.
I all depends on what people need a TRUCK for. I had a 1993 Ford Ranger STX SuperCab and it did everything that I needed it to do as a TRUCK, but it would only seat 2, I don't count the jump seats as seating.
For a 4-door vehicle that can sest 5 and starting under $30,000 these days, it is pretty inviting.
I also had a 1990 Ford Bronco II and I also loved that vehicle. The new Bronco is also very tempting but they start at $10,000 more than the Maverick.
My problem is my much more truck like Gladiator also fails as a “real” truck. It’s simply not great for towing. I could tow with a Ram 1500 or Durango and hardly knew the trailer was back there. I don’t mean from a power standpoint but a stability standpoint. I drive slower when towing with a Gladiator but it’s still tiring.
If I can’t tow with a truck, I may as well have a Maverick or Santa Cruz.
If I can’t tow with a truck, I may as well have a Maverick or Santa Cruz.
The real comparison is between these two:
Pacifica PHEV's MSRP is $18,000 to $9,000 higher that Sienna's, depending on trim. Is Pacifica still getting the $7,500 federal tax credit?
Besides its abstract 82 MPGe, annual Pacifica's fuel costs is $1,250 vs Sienna's $1,450. That is negligible in my book.
There is no discussion on resale values, but I'd expect Sienna's to be much stronger than Pacifica's.
Overall, Pacifica PHEV's value proposition looks questionable. Even if Pacifica's value proposition is actually there, you need a math degree to figure it out. Toyota, on the other hand, makes Sienna's value proposition crystal clear.
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Pacifica PHEV's MSRP is $18,000 to $9,000 higher that Sienna's, depending on trim. Is Pacifica still getting the $7,500 federal tax credit?
Besides its abstract 82 MPGe, annual Pacifica's fuel costs is $1,250 vs Sienna's $1,450. That is negligible in my book.
There is no discussion on resale values, but I'd expect Sienna's to be much stronger than Pacifica's.
Overall, Pacifica PHEV's value proposition looks questionable. Even if Pacifica's value proposition is actually there, you need a math degree to figure it out. Toyota, on the other hand, makes Sienna's value proposition crystal clear.
Maverick can tow up to 4K lbs with the max towing package and has a payload capacity of 1500 lbs, and there are plenty of reviews showing that it does both well. Both are more than adequate for most buyers, especially when many will never tow anything. There is a decent amount of space in the bed with a lot of utility features. It gets great gas mileage too.
As stated above by others, if it’s not enough for one’s needs, then there are more capable options available. I’ll never get this attitude where if a vehicle can’t meet YOUR needs then it’s somehow useless. If that were the case, then I’d say a 1500 would be useless (It doesn’t meet my needs/wants).
Other than the fact that it’s a Ford, which will understandably turn off many here, what’s not to like? STLA could have a version….however, as with almost every market segment, they’ll drag their feet until the market winds change direction to something else. And then they’ll still sit idly by with nothing to offer there either. Or the usual, “it’s coming in 3 years”.
As stated above by others, if it’s not enough for one’s needs, then there are more capable options available. I’ll never get this attitude where if a vehicle can’t meet YOUR needs then it’s somehow useless. If that were the case, then I’d say a 1500 would be useless (It doesn’t meet my needs/wants).
Other than the fact that it’s a Ford, which will understandably turn off many here, what’s not to like? STLA could have a version….however, as with almost every market segment, they’ll drag their feet until the market winds change direction to something else. And then they’ll still sit idly by with nothing to offer there either. Or the usual, “it’s coming in 3 years”.
Soccer mom and manure-hauling duties aside, Sienna's 37 MPG is a hell of a proposition for a vehicle of that size vs Maverick's 36 MPG.
You seem to think carpet cannot be cleaned, and that you cannot buy vinyl floor mats for minivans just as you can for pickups.
Sure, the interior of a minivan can be kept cleaner with mats and such, but that doesn’t match being able to simply hose out a truck bed when necessary IMO.
Sure, a minivan may be able to do a lot of the same tasks as a small truck, but it’s up to the purchaser to determine that for themselves. Just because a tool CAN do a job does not necessarily make it the BEST tool for said job.
One needs to determine what their particular wants & needs are, and make a purchase accordingly. Arguing back and forth about which is better for someone else is rather pointless.
Sure, a minivan may be able to do a lot of the same tasks as a small truck, but it’s up to the purchaser to determine that for themselves. Just because a tool CAN do a job does not necessarily make it the BEST tool for said job.
One needs to determine what their particular wants & needs are, and make a purchase accordingly. Arguing back and forth about which is better for someone else is rather pointless.
One thing to remember is the MINIvans are not so "mini" anymore. While the Maverick is about as long as the vans, it is not as wide and a lot easier to handle around town.
Between the Sienna and Pacifica hybrids there is zero comparison in resale and reliability......but they are both a lot more expensive than the Maverick.
For those saying a Maverick is not a "real" truck.....give is all a huge break. Want something bigger, more expensive and more of a gas hog? Buy one. But dont insult our intelligence with trying to trash the Maverick. It was the right product at the right time and a HUGE success. The sour grapes are moronic.
Between the Sienna and Pacifica hybrids there is zero comparison in resale and reliability......but they are both a lot more expensive than the Maverick.
For those saying a Maverick is not a "real" truck.....give is all a huge break. Want something bigger, more expensive and more of a gas hog? Buy one. But dont insult our intelligence with trying to trash the Maverick. It was the right product at the right time and a HUGE success. The sour grapes are moronic.
I kind of understand some of the sour grapes. If there was any justice in the world, RAM would be selling the Rampage, or the Dakota, or the Rampage AND the Dakota, here, now. They could have gotten some of this market. There's defininitely room for another option given how many Ford sells. And I'd like to see more competition in the segment to keep everyone honest, you know?
A big part of the “sour grapes” stems from Maverick being a Ford vehicle. And that’s fine, this is a Mopar site after all. If this were made instead by Ram, I think some here would be singing its praises instead. Ford took a risk making this vehicle and it’s paid off for them. I don’t know if there is really room for more players in that segment, though they appear to have no trouble at all selling every single one they make.
FCA and now STLA seem more risk averse….remember the convincing it took to make Wrangler Rubicon a reality, something that seemingly would be a no-brainer. I don’t see that changing any time soon, especially with so many brands fighting to keep their heads off the chopping block. They’re not going to waste money and resources on something that may hasten their trip towards an unfortunate end.
FCA and now STLA seem more risk averse….remember the convincing it took to make Wrangler Rubicon a reality, something that seemingly would be a no-brainer. I don’t see that changing any time soon, especially with so many brands fighting to keep their heads off the chopping block. They’re not going to waste money and resources on something that may hasten their trip towards an unfortunate end.
Who really cross shops a minivan and a small truck? Their target customer is first time buyers and young compact buyers. The only STLA product it might be cross shopped with would be a Jeep Compass.
Today's company would never risk the minivan... or the PT Cruiser... or the A-Van... or the B-Van... though they are risking the supersized Charger which is interesting. I'm not entirely sure that was the right move. I do hope they'll surprise us by slotting a smaller Challenger in at the STLA Large's smallest size.
Neon? Neon? We can't make money from small cars so we won't even try!
Valiant? Valiant? We can't make money from small cars so we won't even try!
Duster? You want us to make a cheap two-door variant for what reason now?
Viper? You want to do WHAT? But it won't share a platform! No!
Neon? Neon? We can't make money from small cars so we won't even try!
Valiant? Valiant? We can't make money from small cars so we won't even try!
Duster? You want us to make a cheap two-door variant for what reason now?
Viper? You want to do WHAT? But it won't share a platform! No!
If a person can use a Maverick instead of a Pacifica, it's the better choice because it's cheaper and more fuel efficient and smaller therefore more parkable. My basis for comparison was stuck on bigger pickups...
Maybe our (US) problem is, is that we have too many vehicle choices?
If our choices were smaller, you would have to make do with what was available, and make some sacrifices to get something that would fit most of your needs for most of your time.
At any given time, how many vehicles, across all manufacturers, are there sitting in holding lots all throughout the US?
To me, that is a big waste just to make cars to keep the production lines running.
If our choices were smaller, you would have to make do with what was available, and make some sacrifices to get something that would fit most of your needs for most of your time.
At any given time, how many vehicles, across all manufacturers, are there sitting in holding lots all throughout the US?
To me, that is a big waste just to make cars to keep the production lines running.
It remains to be seen what happens.
Hornet and current Compass aren't selling that well compared to the competition. Renegade and Cherokee are gone, but supposedly coming back (it's always harder to re-enter than remain in).
I suspect if Sergio were still running things, FCA would exit the CUV market in North America in another hissy fit.
You can't get margins when you sell in low numbers and have to discount to move product.
Therein lies the problem. If you aren't competent in the segments you are in, how likely is it you'll succeed in new segments or reentry into previously abandoned segments?
Will Stellantis actually reverse the FCA course? When will we see evidence of that rather than compromised FCA based leftovers?
Hornet and current Compass aren't selling that well compared to the competition. Renegade and Cherokee are gone, but supposedly coming back (it's always harder to re-enter than remain in).
I suspect if Sergio were still running things, FCA would exit the CUV market in North America in another hissy fit.
You can't get margins when you sell in low numbers and have to discount to move product.
Therein lies the problem. If you aren't competent in the segments you are in, how likely is it you'll succeed in new segments or reentry into previously abandoned segments?
Will Stellantis actually reverse the FCA course? When will we see evidence of that rather than compromised FCA based leftovers?
And another missed opportunity:
Remember when people said Ram should offer a street based performance truck? Something like a follow up to the 1990's Dodge Dakota R/T or the 2000's Dodge Ram SRT-10?
And the insiders and naysayers said people only want the 4x4 off road biased performance trucks?
While FCA missed another market, Ford is taking that market on with the Maverick Lobo.
Remember when people said Ram should offer a street based performance truck? Something like a follow up to the 1990's Dodge Dakota R/T or the 2000's Dodge Ram SRT-10?
And the insiders and naysayers said people only want the 4x4 off road biased performance trucks?
While FCA missed another market, Ford is taking that market on with the Maverick Lobo.
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