[GLHS60]

I guess we differ there, free discussion is not a cancer.

Team Chevelle and others handle it nicely.

Thanks
Randy

 

[Bob Lincoln]

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The best forums have a politics/religion section where those who choose to go can.

These sections aren't even visible to those uninterested, one have to join them.

Offended moderators could place what they deem offensive in said section.

This would save them the criticism/complaints some think they have earned.

I actually like hearing others views and choose not to be offended.

Sore is hot around here lately !!

Thanks
Randy

The problem is, rules of decorum still apply to those sections, and they are routinely violated. They are not, nor should they be, free from moderation.

 

[GLHS60]

I didn't actually say there should be absolutely no moderation.

Personally I don't go for vulgarity or violence but enjoy a vigorous debate.

Obviously allpar and its moderators are bent in a certain direction and I get it.

I actually like to hear how others think even when I don't agree with them.

Life, vehicles and everything are entrenched in politics and always will be.

Politics/current events is only a cancer when one side silences another.

As mentioned Team Chevelle seems to be a good example.

Plenty of enthusiasts and one current events forum.

"This forum is an attempt to allow the spirited debates without involving those who are easily offended. It is not a dumpster for anything-goes."

Seems reasonable to me.

Thanks
Randy

 

[ImperialCrown]

Some forums have a 'sandbox', like our Off-Topic section.
Even sandboxes need supervision. Play nice.
I sometimes go to disqus and 'news' discussions that invite political talk.
Political discussion (for the most part) is outside the mission realm of Allpar.
When discussing batteries or safety nannies, I try to stick with the technical aspects of these devices and not wander into whether or not they are appropriate.
If you want to discuss government policy, there are plenty of other venues. We don't want to lock threads or delete posts or have animosity between members here. Allpar is a family-oriented, we try to treat each-other as adults and friends at all times.

 

[77 Monaco Brougham]

Some forums have a 'sandbox', like our Off-Topic section.
Even sandboxes need supervision. Play nice.

There's really only ONE rule of thumb about playing in sandboxes:

Those in the sandbox have to be mature enough to play with it...and not EAT it!

 

[Tomguy]

If you want to discuss politics, religion, whatever, I feel like there are plenty of places to do that, and a car forum should not be one of them, and should not have that type of forum.

What winds up happening on these from my experience is that the moderators get sick of babysitting and removing back-handed insults and fake information and leave, and you can't find many moderators willing to fairly "Police" both sides of the political aisle the same way, so it becomes a pissing match, and one side winds up leaving because the other is immune to reasonable discussion, logic, etc. I mean, look at the mask or vaccine debates. There's science, and fact, and then there's fearmongering and "Freedom" complaints (On both sides, pro and con) that have no place in the discussion, but wind up with people angry at each other because there's no compromise at ALL.

 

[Tony K]

If you want to discuss politics, religion, whatever, I feel like there are plenty of places to do that, and a car forum should not be one of them, and should not have that type of forum.

That's an opinion. I agree, it doesn't seem to work here, but I don't think saying "car forums are no place for political discussions" is an unrebuttable presumption.

 

[Zagnut27]

Politics is a part of everything these days whether warranted or not, some seem to inject it everywhere. Obviously it is pertinent to some topics discussed here, so I’d say if you must make a comment, make it brief and to the point and move on.

Politics is something artificial that we invented that has an endless potential for division of the masses. Love of cars, Mopars in particular, is what brought us all here. Let’s focus on what unites us here.

Of course, if you want to bash Sergio, then that’s still ok…. ( just kidding! Partially, anyway….lol)

 

[rapidtrans]

If you don’t think politics effects the auto industry just keep drinking the kool-aid.
Oops. both of those references got me chastised in the past.
I will also note that most forums I read only started the “no politics“ policy after the last election. And their usage and membership dropped off.

 

[Zagnut27]

If forum membership drops off because of a “no politics” policy, then those members weren’t there for the forum anyway, only for politics. I guess some people only care about ranting and raving. Peace out.

 

[Bob Lincoln]

The problem arises when people create posts in order to stir the pot and promote their own agenda or viewpoint, rather than post anything about an automotive topic that happens to be influenced by politics. They are creating political posts barely hidden behind the guise of automotive interest, and they know who they are. A couple of them are the world champions of warning points and their fate has been debated.

 

[DarkSky]

If you don’t think politics effects the auto industry just keep drinking the kool-aid.
Oops. both of those references got me chastised in the past.
I will also note that most forums I read only started the “no politics“ policy after the last election. And their usage and membership dropped off.

Our "no politics" policy has been in effect for longer than that. That's not to say there isn't a correlation, because the world definitely became more politically heated in the past few years.

The problem arises when people create posts in order to stir the pot and promote their own agenda or viewpoint, rather than post anything about an automotive topic that happens to be influenced by politics. They are creating political posts barely hidden behind the guise of automotive interest, and they know who they are. A couple of them are the world champions of warning points and their fate has been debated.

At some point, people just disregard the rules because they know after they get kicked off, they can come back and do the same things for a while before repeating the process. I think we should start being far more strict, otherwise we aren't accomplishing anything.

 

[HanksHemi]

See 'no" place in car forums, leaves the fence on the ground and not around our words. Car forums "could" lead to conversations about manufacturing with different state rules "might" cover union or state issues that "could" fire up politics. Electric autos and their charging stations and the electricity to run them "possibly" "might engage some lively climate change discussion. The shared interest of car "humans" is "mostly" wide and varied, thus taking us places that "might" lead us down a path of disagreement. This "may" lead to a large amount of the sand out of the sandbox and there we have the problem. Who, wants to clean up all that sand, the mods?

 

[06PTElectricBlue]

See 'no" place in car forums, leaves the fence on the ground and not around our words. Car forums "could" lead to conversations about manufacturing with different state rules "might" cover union or state issues that "could" fire up politics. Electric autos and their charging stations and the electricity to run them "possibly" "might engage some lively climate change discussion. The shared interest of car "humans" is "mostly" wide and varied, thus taking us places that "might" lead us down a path of disagreement. This "may" lead to a large amount of the sand out of the sandbox and there we have the problem. Who, wants to clean up all that sand, the mods?

If all the sand is out of the sandbox, you know what's left?

 

[Zagnut27]

I could use some of that sand for my landscaping projects. We don’t need the , we’ve got 3 dogs for that.

 

[Milkman123]

I guess we differ there, free discussion is not a cancer.

Team Chevelle and others handle it nicely.

Thanks
Randy

I don't think our culture is as polarized as it is down south.

 

[DC-93]

If you don’t think politics effects the auto industry just keep drinking the kool-aid.
Oops. both of those references got me chastised in the past.
I will also note that most forums I read only started the “no politics“ policy after the last election. And their usage and membership dropped off.

What forums?
I’m on a few other Mopar forums and it appears the usual cast of idiots are all there and accounted for!
🤣🤣🤣

 

[freshforged]

Years ago now, I used some heated political rhetoric and Bob Sheves was kind enough to try to calmly talk me down. Lesson learned and I have tried to live by that since.

 

[Dave Z]

We've been there with off-topic. Numerous times. Each time we get the vitriol thrown around. It doesn't work. Maybe in someforums it can work but...

Why did forums start doing no-politics after the last election? Mostly because of the sheer volume of hate that suddenly appeared. A small problem became a big one. This is not a place for hate politics talking points to be recited and for groups to be lambasted willy-nilly. On a personal note, I don't appreciate being classified based on the region where I live, over and over. Yeah, every single person in this 100-million-person region is a commie. I get it.

Keep in mind we don’t get paid for this. These rules are an alternative to having us ban everyone who pisses us off.

 

[68RT]

We've been there with off-topic. Numerous times. Each time we get the vitriol thrown around. It doesn't work. Maybe in someforums it can work but...

Why did forums start doing no-politics after the last election? Mostly because of the sheer volume of hate that suddenly appeared. A small problem became a big one. This is not a place for hate politics talking points to be recited and for groups to be lambasted willy-nilly. On a personal note, I don't appreciate being classified based on the region where I live, over and over. Yeah, every single person in this 100-million-person region is a commie. I get it.

Keep in mind we don’t get paid for this. These rules are an alternative to having us ban everyone who pisses us off.

Personally I think it started with the election cycle in the beginning. It just kept getting worse the closer we got and snowballed after. The ability to listen has been turned off when there is a difference of opinion.