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#122 ·
This car truly is a middle finger to everyone. I do kinda love it for that. The muscle car guys hate it, but the ones that have driven it seem to say the same thing "this car is great, I will never buy it". EV purists seem to hate it on principle and aggressively search for faults with it.

I was very happy with some of the reviews from muscle car guys, particularly those that came into it with more experience with the L-cars. Patrick and many of those others had very great things to say. Yes, a good chunk of them still said "not buying it". But they were under no false pretenses on how it should perform. I feel like many "first drivers" were expecting Tesla Plaid straight-line performance, but Miata in the twisties.

Then the reviewers who knew the 2015-2023 Charger/Challenger all seem to have come to the same conclusion that, despite it's significant heft, it handled the corners surprisingly well, perhaps better than the old L-cars. This car might actually change some minds.

Can I be honest? What I want to see now is a a dual rear motor version, not the tri-motor Banshee. Straight up RWD dual motor as a road racer performance special. Maybe not as a production car, but even a concept just to show off would be a hoot. Basically show off a direct Hellcat EV competitor. Does anyone else even have a dual-motor performance RWD vehicle? That would be different enough for Dodge's performance aspirations.
 
#123 ·
valiant67 said:
Back in the 1970s, the large behemoths (LTD, New Yorker, Caprice) were 4000 lb cars. Now there are large 6000 lb cars (and this ignores trucks). The 4000 lb cars were above the average in the 1970s and the 6000 lb cars are above the average today.
You haven’t proven me wrong. Safety standards added a lot of weight or a lot of cost. And batteries add weight. No inexpensive way around that.
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The Mitsubishi Mirage is a compact car that meets all safety standards and weighs 2084 lbs. 86.2 cu ft 17.1 cu ft.
Mirage G4 2161 lb 89.2 cu ft 12.4 cu ft.

The weight gain has nothing to do with safety standards and everything to do with optional equipment and powerful engines a Mirage hasn't got.

There are several inexpensive ways around heavy BEV batteries. The ways around are ICE, MHEV, HEV and PHEV.
 
#124 ·
David S said:
The Mitsubishi Mirage is a compact car that meets all safety standards and weighs 2084 lbs. 86.2 cu ft 17.1 cu ft.
Mirage G4 2161 lb 89.2 cu ft 12.4 cu ft.

The weight gain has nothing to do with safety standards and everything to do with optional equipment and powerful engines a Mirage hasn't got.

There are several inexpensive ways around heavy BEV batteries. The ways around are ICE, MHEV, HEV and PHEV.
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Yes there were some unsafe Japanese compacts in the '80s that were lighter, but the Mirage is the lightest compact in over 35 years. Weight gain over the last 35 years is not related to any safety standards.
 
#125 ·
David S said:
Yes there were some unsafe Japanese compacts in the '80s that were lighter, but the Mirage is the lightest compact in over 35 years. Weight gain over the last 35 years is not related to any safety standards.
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The 2024 Miata weighs 2,341 pounds. Probably not the safest vehicle, but at least compliant with current regs. The Model S Plaid weighs 4,766 pounds, and has performance superior to the Charger. The 6,000+ pounds heft the Charger brings to the scales is probably the result of making the platform multi-energy. Whatever the reason, it's way too much weight. My crew cab short box 4x4 pickup truck weighs a tad under 6,000 pounds with me in the driver's seat, a full 32-gallon tank of fuel and no other payload. The idea that a passenger car should weigh as much as an 8 cylinder, 4 wheel drive pickup truck is simply crazy.
 
#126 · (Edited)
geoff.gariepy said:
The 2024 Miata weighs 2,341 pounds. Probably not the safest vehicle, but at least compliant with current regs. The Model S Plaid weighs 4,766 pounds, and has performance superior to the Charger. The 6,000+ pounds heft the Charger brings to the scales is probably the result of making the platform multi-energy. Whatever the reason, it's way too much weight. My crew cab short box 4x4 pickup truck weighs a tad under 6,000 pounds with me in the driver's seat, a full 32-gallon tank of fuel and no other payload. The idea that a passenger car should weigh as much as an 8 cylinder, 4 wheel drive pickup truck is simply crazy.
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Well the Plaid isnt The Scat Packs competitor regarding performance soooo…
 
#127 · (Edited)
tomaz said:
Well the Plaid isn't The Scat Packs competitor regarding performance soooo…
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No, it's a second quicker 0-60 in 2.28 sec. Charger Scat Pack 3.3 sec

Charger matches the Dual Motor Long Range Plus which weighs 4883 lbs.

2022 Tesla Model S Plaid 0-60 mph 2.1 Quarter mile 9.4
2022 Tesla Model S Dual Motor Long Range Plus 0-60 mph 3.5 Quarter mile 11.9
2014 Tesla Model S P85D 0-60 mph 3.3 Quarter mile 11.8

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#128 ·
mentalicca said:
This car truly is a middle finger to everyone. I do kinda love it for that. The muscle car guys hate it, but the ones that have driven it seem to say the same thing "this car is great, I will never buy it". EV purists seem to hate it on principle and aggressively search for faults with it.

I was very happy with some of the reviews from muscle car guys, particularly those that came into it with more experience with the L-cars. Patrick and many of those others had very great things to say. Yes, a good chunk of them still said "not buying it". But they were under no false pretenses on how it should perform. I feel like many "first drivers" were expecting Tesla Plaid straight-line performance, but Miata in the twisties.

Then the reviewers who knew the 2015-2023 Charger/Challenger all seem to have come to the same conclusion that, despite it's significant heft, it handled the corners surprisingly well, perhaps better than the old L-cars. This car might actually change some minds.

Can I be honest? What I want to see now is a a dual rear motor version, not the tri-motor Banshee. Straight up RWD dual motor as a road racer performance special. Maybe not as a production car, but even a concept just to show off would be a hoot. Basically show off a direct Hellcat EV competitor. Does anyone else even have a dual-motor performance RWD vehicle? That would be different enough for Dodge's performance aspirations.
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Iam one of those purists that will never buy an EV . I have had many High Performance cars in my lifetime . From a 70 340 Dart that was a pure quarter mile car to 75 Nova SS to a 85 Mustang GT to a Grand National and even a turbo 4 cylinder Pontiac . The Pontiac was small and fast , Handled great . But it did not feel like a muscle car . Even though the 0-60 time was great - it had torque steer , turbo lag , and just did not drive like the Mustang did . A rip roaring V8 with headers , burning rubber , fishtailing all over the place - thats Heaven . No matter how fast an EV Charger can be its still soul less . I bought my 2014 Challenger R/T new cause it was the closest thing I could get to buying a brand new 1970 muscle car . It looked just like a '70 , had a hemi V8 , and was fast enough for my budget . I get in it and Iam no longer 61 - Iam 17 again , and thats what a muscle car should do for ya .
 
#130 ·
freshforged said:
One man’s “soulless” is another man’s “cleanest”
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One man's fishtailing, loud rubber burning "heaven" is a disconcerting dangerous handling nuisance to a man who grew up with predictable good handling torque steering fast and quiet turbo cars.

And torque steer can be tamed, this isn't the '90s anymore.
 
#131 ·
David S said:
One man's fishtailing, loud rubber burning "heaven" is a disconcerting dangerous handling nuisance to a man who grew up with predictable good handling torque steering fast and quiet turbo cars.

And torque steer can be tamed, this isn't the '90s anymore.
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Most “taming” technology simply cuts power.
That’s a bandaid, not a solution.
 
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#133 ·
Keltec said:
Iam one of those purists that will never buy an EV . I have had many High Performance cars in my lifetime . From a 70 340 Dart that was a pure quarter mile car to 75 Nova SS to a 85 Mustang GT to a Grand National and even a turbo 4 cylinder Pontiac . The Pontiac was small and fast , Handled great . But it did not feel like a muscle car . Even though the 0-60 time was great - it had torque steer , turbo lag , and just did not drive like the Mustang did . A rip roaring V8 with headers , burning rubber , fishtailing all over the place - thats Heaven . No matter how fast an EV Charger can be its still soul less . I bought my 2014 Challenger R/T new cause it was the closest thing I could get to buying a brand new 1970 muscle car . It looked just like a '70 , had a hemi V8 , and was fast enough for my budget . I get in it and Iam no longer 61 - Iam 17 again , and thats what a muscle car should do for ya .
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One these days you may get in it, but getting out of it may be another thing. I had a 340 Demon in the late 70s. While it was a fast ride, I'm just not a car guy. I traded it for a new 79 W-150 Power Wagon. I've owned nothing but trucks and SUVs since I was 19. We had a van or two along the way when my kids were young.
 
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