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Discussion starter · #41 ·
freshforged said:
shows us what a STLS Medium player for Chrysler (Atlantic coupe and convertible) and Dodge (Shadow sedan and coupe) could look like if they ever decide to build anything exciting again.
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Atlantic sounds like an odd name for a Subcompact segment. Considering the ocean is so large. My render was a rebadged Grand Wagoneer.

My picks would be Laser and LeBaron
 
#42 ·
NiharM33 said:
Atlantic sounds like an odd name for a Subcompact segment. Considering the ocean is so large. My render was a rebadged Grand Wagoneer.

My picks would be Laser and LeBaron
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We probably need to ease up on the heritage/historical names. Not all of them are pleasant memories for the customers Chrysler and Dodge need to lure back in.
 
#46 ·
Dave Z said:
Well, yes... though it's not much of a share. I don't know, for people who seem to be terrified of Chinese automakers, they seem to be acting as the importers in a lot of places.
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Working closely with BYD (building electrification supply chain) in Brazil....currently.

Afaik this car is a version of cusw aka Dodge Dart/Chrysler200/Fiat Viaggio. When Marchionne cancelled the C200 they'd considered importing it i.e., a version of this trumpchi instead. In the end: they did not bother to since 'no business case' aka sedan segment dying etc. In both the usa and europe. GAC itself began decades ago based on alfa 156(?) Platform, etc. I.e., before the fca era jv, in the 1980s.
Foreseeably, though the in/outsourcing will not be of fully built cars, ev or not, but more of engineering, r&d esp software and ev, AND much more of the 'supply chain' ie componentry. For eg n american and europe new Stla medium Jeep compass will have VERY much higher 'imported content' from Brazil, India and yes China, than ever before. No near shoring for stellantis.
 
#47 ·
David S said:
Why would they want a car from their former JV partner when their current joint venture partner makes a car the same size and cost that has the same Prince engine as they are putting into production in the US? That makes no sense.

Peugeot 408 IITrumpchi Empow (Attitude)
Wheelbase2,730 mm (107.5 in)2,736 mm (107.7 in)
Length4,750 mm (187.0 in)4,700–4,753 mm (185.0–187.1 in)
Width1,820 mm (71.7 in)1,850 mm (72.8 in)
Height1,488 mm (58.6 in)1,432–1,440 mm (56.4–56.7 in)
Curb weight1,373 kg,-1,420 kg (3,130.6 lb) 1,345–1,500 kg (2,965–3,307 lb) (Empow)
1,500–1,550 kg (3,307–3,417 lb) (Empow Hybrid)
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Because it is better. ;-)
 
#49 ·
vBD said:
Working closely with BYD (building electrification supply chain) in Brazil....currently.

Afaik this car is a version of cusw aka Dodge Dart/Chrysler200/Fiat Viaggio. When Marchionne cancelled the C200 they'd considered importing it i.e., a version of this trumpchi instead. In the end: they did not bother to since 'no business case' aka sedan segment dying etc. In both the usa and europe. GAC itself began decades ago based on alfa 156(?) Platform, etc. I.e., before the fca era jv, in the 1980s.
Foreseeably, though the in/outsourcing will not be of fully built cars, ev or not, but more of engineering, r&d esp software and ev, AND much more of the 'supply chain' ie componentry. For eg n american and europe new Stla medium Jeep compass will have VERY much higher 'imported content' from Brazil, India and yes China, than ever before. No near shoring for stellantis.
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It should be a different platform. "The production Empow sedan is based on GAC's new Global Platform Modular Architecture."

Viaggio/OttimoPeugeot 408 IITrumpchi Empow (Attitude)
Wheelbase106.6 in (2,708 mm) (Viaggio/Ottimo)2,730 mm (107.5 in)2,736 mm (107.7 in)
Length184.2 in (4,679 mm) (Fiat Viaggio)
178.9 in (4,544 mm) (Fiat Ottimo)		4,750 mm (187.0 in)4,700–4,753 mm (185.0–187.1 in)
Width72.8 in (1,849 mm) (Viaggio/Ottimo)1,820 mm (71.7 in)1,850 mm (72.8 in)
Height57.9 in (1,471 mm) (Fiat Viaggio)
58.1 in (1,476 mm) (Fiat Ottimo)		1,488 mm (58.6 in)1,432–1,440 mm (56.4–56.7 in)
Curb weight3,186–3,348 lb (1,445–1,519 kg)1,373 kg,-1,420 kg (3,130.6 lb) 1,345–1,500 kg (2,965–3,307 lb) (Empow)
1,500–1,550 kg (3,307–3,417 lb) (Empow Hybrid)

EmpowViaggio/Ottimo
Engine1.4 L FIRE I4 turbo
6-speed FPT C635 DCT
7-speed FPT C725 DCT
Electric motor1xAC PMSM (2.0 L hybrid)

Empow
ModelYearsTransmissionPower@rpmTorque@rpm0–100 km/h
(0–62 mph)
(Official)		Top speed
1.5 Turbo2021–present7-speed DCT125 kW (170 PS; 168 hp) at 5,500 rpm
130 kW (177 PS; 174 hp) at 5,500 rpm		270 N⋅m (199 lb⋅ft; 28 kg⋅m) at 1,400–4,500 rpm6.95s200 km/h (124 mph)
2.0 Turbo2023–present8-speed automatic195 kW (265 PS; 261 hp)400 N⋅m (295 lb⋅ft; 41 kg⋅m)5.7s230 km/h (143 mph)
2.0 Hybrid2022–presentCVT175 kW (238 PS; 235 hp)165 km/h (103 mph)

Viaggio/Ottimo
ModelYearsType/codePower at rpm, Torque at rpm
1.4T 120 HP2012–20171,368 cc (83.5 cu in) I4 turbo (T-Jet turbo)120 PS (88 kW; 118 hp) at 5,500, 206 N⋅m (152 lb⋅ft) at 2,500
1.4T 150 HP2012–20171,368 cc (83.5 cu in) I4 turbo (T-Jet turbo)150 PS (110 kW; 148 hp) at 5,500, 230 N⋅m (170 lb⋅ft) at 3,000

Given the vastly different years, weights, engines, and hybrid model I will say this is all new, perhaps the base model shares the same 7 speed, that's it.

 
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David S said:
It should be a different platform. "The production Empow sedan is based on GAC's new Global Platform Modular Architecture."

Viaggio/OttimoPeugeot 408 IITrumpchi Empow (Attitude)
Wheelbase106.6 in (2,708 mm) (Viaggio/Ottimo)2,730 mm (107.5 in)2,736 mm (107.7 in)
Length184.2 in (4,679 mm) (Fiat Viaggio)
178.9 in (4,544 mm) (Fiat Ottimo)		4,750 mm (187.0 in)4,700–4,753 mm (185.0–187.1 in)
Width72.8 in (1,849 mm) (Viaggio/Ottimo)1,820 mm (71.7 in)1,850 mm (72.8 in)
Height57.9 in (1,471 mm) (Fiat Viaggio)
58.1 in (1,476 mm) (Fiat Ottimo)		1,488 mm (58.6 in)1,432–1,440 mm (56.4–56.7 in)
Curb weight3,186–3,348 lb (1,445–1,519 kg)1,373 kg,-1,420 kg (3,130.6 lb) 1,345–1,500 kg (2,965–3,307 lb) (Empow)
1,500–1,550 kg (3,307–3,417 lb) (Empow Hybrid)

EmpowViaggio/Ottimo
Engine1.4 L FIRE I4 turbo
6-speed FPT C635 DCT
7-speed FPT C725 DCT
Electric motor1xAC PMSM (2.0 L hybrid)

Empow
ModelYearsTransmissionPower@rpmTorque@rpm0–100 km/h
(0–62 mph)
(Official)		Top speed
1.5 Turbo2021–present7-speed DCT125 kW (170 PS; 168 hp) at 5,500 rpm
130 kW (177 PS; 174 hp) at 5,500 rpm		270 N⋅m (199 lb⋅ft; 28 kg⋅m) at 1,400–4,500 rpm6.95s200 km/h (124 mph)
2.0 Turbo2023–present8-speed automatic195 kW (265 PS; 261 hp)400 N⋅m (295 lb⋅ft; 41 kg⋅m)5.7s230 km/h (143 mph)
2.0 Hybrid2022–presentCVT175 kW (238 PS; 235 hp)165 km/h (103 mph)

Viaggio/Ottimo
ModelYearsType/codePower at rpm, Torque at rpm
1.4T 120 HP2012–20171,368 cc (83.5 cu in) I4 turbo (T-Jet turbo)120 PS (88 kW; 118 hp) at 5,500, 206 N⋅m (152 lb⋅ft) at 2,500
1.4T 150 HP2012–20171,368 cc (83.5 cu in) I4 turbo (T-Jet turbo)150 PS (110 kW; 148 hp) at 5,500, 230 N⋅m (170 lb⋅ft) at 3,000

Given the vastly different years, weights, engines, and hybrid model I will say this is all new, perhaps the base model shares the same 7 speed, that's it.

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Those are Toyota engines in the Empow.
motorwatt.com

GAC launches sales of SUV powered by Toyota

GAC Trumpchi Emkoo Trumpchi Emkoo debuted with some tempting price tags. The Chinese corporation GAC has launched the Trumpchi Emkoo crossover with a hybrid power plant from Toyota. The starting price for a stylish model is 132,000 yuan (19,350 US$). In the top configuration, the price...
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"the Empow is built on an all-new GPMA platform, which opens up avenues for future electrification."
www.topgear.com.ph

Review: 2023 GAC Empow 1.5T GE DCT

Riders on the storm
www.topgear.com.ph www.topgear.com.ph
 
#52 ·
NiharM33 said:
The Emkoo looks like it would've made a better Hornet. It has the sharp design for it.
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"The stern is suspiciously reminiscent of the Japanese Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross. Note that the GAC also works very closely with Mitsubishi, so the similarity of the models is understandable."

That may give us a clue of what the platform is. It may very well be updated Journey/Avenger, Lancer/Eclipse Cross under there, not Dart.

A Lancer with Toyota engines.
 
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