[Dave Z]

That and the $24,000 Toyota comes with toyota reliability and customer service vs chryslers $36,000 chrysler reliability 😬

Well, there are other differences. Toyota telematics are still pretty rubbish, same with Mazda. Chrysler is admittedly blowing their early lead these days, but they were pretty far ahead, and it does matter. Chrysler is very good at having manual controls for everything, but Toyota and Mazda are, too, that's really only a big issue for Tesla and Volvo, I think.

 

[N.leo]

I disagree. Younger people I know are very much motivated by higher spec features.

I am 36, I will not buy a car without keyless entry a moonroof or dual zone automatic climate control.

 

[AceHanlon]

2025 Pacifica MSRP starts at US$44,145, including destination for a Base, FWD, V6, rated for 19/28 MPG. There is already a $1,000 rebate on it.

2025 Sienna MSRP starts at US$40,635, incl. destination. This is for a Base, FWD, HEV, rated at 38/36 MPG. AWD adds only $2,000.

There is up to $5,500 in rebates on 2024 Pacificas in my neck of the woods.

My guess is Chrysler dealers have got to be discounting 2025s a lot more than the $1,000 just to remain competitive.

Notice long the fine print full of caveats at the bottom.
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This is the fine print zoomed in:
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BTW, the word "select" on the 2024 rebate offer is not to be confused with the new "Select" trim level on 2025 Pacifica
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No wonder they can't compete when the competition offers better pricing and incentives. They must be ignorant.

 

[AceHanlon]

The loaded only mindset is resulting in no product and declining sales. The boomers at the helm need to acknowledge today's youthful average buyer simply doesn't have much money. The pony up or shut up attitude is not only rude and Off-putting, it's actually proving in real time to be failing.

They simply need some low buck low frill offerings or they won't survive. Not sure why the elder fans can't seem to accept the facts. Joe Sixpack is spending more money on housing and food than ever. This means less money for cars, not more. To insult the consumer and keep plugging on is foolish.

Adapt to the times with value offering or vanish. That's the reality going forward.

As a young millennial I would agree. My friends and cohorts, also young millennials, want value and I never hear any of them talking about how they would get value from any stellantis products. That's why they've all bought the competition or are looking at the competion. If they want to keep targeting boomers, fine, but that's a short term solution to a long term problem.

 

[N.leo]

No wonder they can't compete when the competition offers better pricing and incentives. They must be ignorant.

No, they just thought the consumer was.

 

[Canucktruck]

I disagree. Younger people I know are very much motivated by higher spec features.

I am 36, I will not buy a car without keyless entry a moonroof or dual zone automatic climate control.

Im 36 and hate chasing electrical issues hence I hate all these features.

 

[Canucktruck]

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[Dave Z]

Keep in mind for your dad, 30 years ago, the Pentastar V6 would be a serious hot rod. 30 years ago is 1994, and we still had somewhat progressive taxation, which helped, but mainly a "hot" engine would be the 3.5 with 250 net hp. The V8s in 1994 were good for torque but weren't great for horsepower by today's V6 standards,a dn their mileage was terrible. You're wanting the V8 form at a cheap price, but you already have the old-V8 power and then some.

All those other things - have nothing to do with V8s and everything to do with society agreeing that massive wealth gaps are just fine, and that the individual bears ALL responsibility for any financial issues he or she has. Nobody bothers to do a root cause analysis on stuff like this, most people either latch onto a pop philosophy that isn't at all relevant or is actually harmful, or join a cult and eject their own ability to think (instead repeating idiot mantras), or blame the wrong people and do/root for things that hurt themselves, or find a scapegoat (e.g., for car guys, the UAW or EPA) to blame for everything though it can't possibly have been at fault.

 

[N.leo]

Im 36 and hate chasing electrical issues hence I hate all these features.

There is definitely a limit for me as well. My last two cars are comparatively simple and right now I am actively looking for a new car that is also simple.

I don't want a motor with Stop-Start. I don't want a small motor with a turbo. I don't want cylinder deactivation. I will not buy a CVT or a DCT if I can help it.

I don't need my car to drive for me. Blind spot monitoring and a rear view cam, I love though.

I don't need power seats/memory.

I don't need electric blinds in the back seat.

Nor do I need stuff like giant infotainment screens.

But the stuff I want are not negotiable.

 

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[N.leo]

Lol nah, I am lazy. It must not need physical force to move.

 

[DC-93]

Funniest thing I saw today, although I got a link to some guy imitating Borat that was a close second!

 

[keithsketchley]

The Caravan jumped around a little in price wise but roughly speaking it was comparable to popular cars like Camry, Fusion, Malibu.
Now the Pacifica is a totally different price level.
Bring the Voyager price down to a price that young family's can afford.
NO powered doors no heated seats ect.... and priced below 30 grand.!

I'm laughing because there now is a vehicle looking like the Pacifica van but labelled Voyager, I've seen one. I presume an attempt to do what you want, though this article says only sold to companies. Chrysler Pacifica Vs Voyager: The Pros And Cons Of Both Models

 

[keithsketchley]

I'm laughing because there now is a vehicle looking like the Pacifica van but labelled Voyager, I've seen one. I presume an attempt to do what you want, though this article says only sold to companies. Chrysler Pacifica Vs Voyager: The Pros And Cons Of Both Models

Several articles on duckduckgo.com if you search for chrysler voyager vs pacifica.

for $45,000 it better.

You are comparing very different vehicles.

 

[valiant67]

I'm laughing because there now is a vehicle looking like the Pacifica van but labelled Voyager, I've seen one. I presume an attempt to do what you want, though this article says only sold to companies. Chrysler Pacifica Vs Voyager: The Pros And Cons Of Both Models

Voyager was available to everyone, then only to fleets, and now back to everyone. In the US the cheaper van is Voyager, in Canada it’s sold as Grand Caravan. They are both the Pacifica, stripped of dome equipment, and using the old style front end.

 

[keithsketchley]

Voyager was available to everyone, then only to fleets, and now back to everyone. In the US the cheaper van is Voyager, in Canada it’s sold as Grand Caravan. They are both the Pacifica, stripped of dome equipment, and using the old style front end.

Marketing people couldn't confuse people more if they tried to confuse.