[David S]

Definitely sharp looking. But how quick does it fall apart? I noticed that with my Kia too, and my previous Hyundai: they look great and have a lot of tech but they seem to wear out faster than the Japanese and American brands I've owned.

My niece is still driving my 2011 Sonata, well over 150K miles, no problem with the engine. Yes that 2011 Sonata, with a sticker for the owner's manual extending the engine warranty to 150K miles. YMMV.

 

[David S]

The Chinese 408 is a 308 sedan, but it is based on the 2013 308 II not the 2021 308 III, that how they can sell it for $15,500.

Additionally both Stratus and Neon were sedans with trunks. The Chinese 408 II and 508L are sedans with trunks.

Shadow and Lancer were Dodge liftbacks, and Omni was the only Golf/308 style hatchback.

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[Dave Z]

My niece is still driving my 2011 Sonata, well over 150K miles, no problem with the engine. Yes that 2011 Sonata, with a sticker for the owner's manual extending the engine warranty to 150K miles. YMMV.

FWIW my daughter just traded in her 2007 Sebring. It did have a powertrain computer go bad. Somewhat higher miles but I can't remember how many and it started out life as a rental.

Did she get a Mopar? She wanted cheap/safe/comfortable/economical. Let's see... Cheap? Cheapest car is around $28,000 as I recall, with few safety features and a lousy lease deal. Safe? Okay, grant you that. Economical? Don't make me laugh.

You can guess what she bought. It was the default car and the best for her needs.

 

[movaldes]

FWIW my daughter just traded in her 2007 Sebring. It did have a powertrain computer go bad. Somewhat higher miles but I can't remember how many and it started out life as a rental.

Did she get a Mopar? She wanted cheap/safe/comfortable/economical. Let's see... Cheap? Cheapest car is around $28,000 as I recall, with few safety features and a lousy lease deal. Safe? Okay, grant you that. Economical? Don't make me laugh.

You can guess what she bought. It was the default car and the best for her needs.

Hyundai/Kia?
😎

 

[Dave Z]

Hyundai/Kia?
😎

No but close...

 

[NiharM33]

 

[68RT]

Yes, of course. To any rational brand. But Dodge has gone all in on being the muscle car brand, and this car is not that. They’d need to change their branding strategy.

Dodge/Stellantis needs to also be a family car to support the muscle side. Vast majority of Chargers and Challengers do not have 8 cylinders. Looking somewhat "racy" can be affordable too for families that want more than just an appliance.

 

[freshforged]

We’ve seen how this play ends

 

[NiharM33]

Dodge/Stellantis needs to also be a family car to support the muscle side. Vast majority of Chargers and Challengers do not have 8 cylinders. Looking somewhat "racy" can be affordable too for families that want more than just an appliance.

The 308-Neon and C5 X Intrepid couldn't come soon enough. These make too much sense not to have for Dodge.

 

[mentalicca]

The 308-Neon and C5 X Intrepid couldn't come soon enough. These make too much sense not to have for Dodge.

I think the US brands do need to take a more measured approach after Hornet. If these vehicles can be competitive in their respective segments while offering the sporty characteristics of a Dodge, absolutely. Also, I think they are going to avoid anything new that is not on the global platforms now.

 

[68RT]

I think the US brands do need to take a more measured approach after Hornet. If these vehicles can be competitive in their respective segments while offering the sporty characteristics of a Dodge, absolutely. Also, I think they are going to avoid anything new that is not on the global platforms now.

Underpinnings can cross a ton of different top hats. Looks can change totally with little power train and floor changes.

 

[Dave Z]

Which is an advantage to EV-only skateboard platforms...

 

[NiharM33]

 

[David S]

Which is an advantage to EV-only skateboard platforms...

And modular multi mode platforms. See all the top hats already on EMP2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMP2_platform

 

[tomaz]

I approve of this for a Dodge in the states... call it the Colt and have it be the Subaru impreza/Mitsubishi Lancer they wont build.

 

[NiharM33]

Was the review adequate enough? It's from the Philippines, but it should give you enough info about the car.

 

[NiharM33]

 

[David S]

I approve of this for a Dodge in the states... call it the Colt and have it be the Subaru impreza/Mitsubishi Lancer they wont build.

Was the review adequate enough? It's from the Philippines, but it should give you enough info about the car.

Why would they want a car from their former JV partner when their current joint venture partner makes a car the same size and cost that has the same Prince engine as they are putting into production in the US? That makes no sense.

	Peugeot 408 II	Trumpchi Empow (Attitude)
Wheelbase	2,730 mm (107.5 in)	2,736 mm (107.7 in)
Length	4,750 mm (187.0 in)	4,700–4,753 mm (185.0–187.1 in)
Width	1,820 mm (71.7 in)	1,850 mm (72.8 in)
Height	1,488 mm (58.6 in)	1,432–1,440 mm (56.4–56.7 in)
Curb weight	1,373 kg,-1,420 kg (3,130.6 lb)	1,345–1,500 kg (2,965–3,307 lb) (Empow) 1,500–1,550 kg (3,307–3,417 lb) (Empow Hybrid)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_408_(saloon)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpchi_Empow

 

[David S]

Was the review adequate enough? It's from the Philippines, but it should give you enough info about the car.

Not the trim they will be seeing in Mexico.

 

[freshforged]

shows us what a STLS Medium player for Chrysler (Atlantic coupe and convertible) and Dodge (Shadow sedan and coupe) could look like if they ever decide to build anything exciting again.