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FCA: US sales way up, Canada way down

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FCA US reported a hefty increase of 17% over November 2017, selling 181,310 vehicles, (136,704 to retail customers). It was the highest November retail sales since 2001; 88% of sales went to retail, 12% to fleets. If not for a particularly good 2015, FCA US would have recorded its best November sales ever.

November 2018 FCA US sales

The enormous gain was driven by Jeep and Ram—especially Ram, which had a 44% gain as value buyers went for Ram Classics and more well-heeled customers opted for the newer Ram 1500s.  Reid Bigland, head of U.S. sales, gave a nod to Motor Trend SUV and Truck of the Year awards for driving traffic.

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Jeep sales rose by 12%, with a 4% gain in retail sales; the Wrangler, Cherokee, and Compass all set records for the month. The Ram 1500, though, was the biggest gainer, rising by 59% to 37,637 sales out of Ram's total 57,970. Ram doesn’t normally break out the 1500 from other models, so this is a rare chance to see how popular the heavy-duty models are (answer: surprisingly popular).

Alfa Romeo also had a good month, rising by 36%, albeit to just 1,957; more than half were SUVs. Dodge, likewise, saw a 15% sales gain, to 33,196, with Challenger doing especially well.

The bad news came with the two eponymous brands, Fiat and Chrysler. Fiat plummeted by another 24%, falling to 1,309; if this keeps up, the Alfa Romeo Stelvio will outsell all five Fiats combined. (The new 500X may have an impact, but the new 500L, so far, has not). Chrysler fell by 21%, dropping to 13,094 across the 300 and Pacifica.

The Wrangler and Cherokee each gained by about a fifth.  At Ram, the pickup gains hid a 90% increase in ProMaster sales. The Chrysler Pacifica continues to disappoint, facing a 35% drop in sales—beaten by the ancient Dodge Caravan, which had a redesign in 2008 and a facelift in 2011.

The 300 actually had a good month, shooting up by 55% in the face of “sedans are dead” claims by pundits, GM, and Ford. Those gains were reflected in a 21% boost in Charger sales and, to a lesser degree, a 30% gain for the Challenger. The “specialty” Challenger didn’t sell quite as well as the Charger last month, but it did beat the 300 by around 500 sales.

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The Caravan chassis is, um, “well proven.”

The ancient Journey also did well, with a 16% sales gain, though its numbers are terrible compared with many competitors (and around a quarter of Cherokee sales). The Durango dropped by 7%, which is just 300 sales. The Caravan went up by 19%, which wasn't nearly enough to compensate for Pacifica losses.

Over at Fiat, sadly, a fairly hefty redesign of the 500L yielded a 63% sales loss, to just 47 cars sold for the month. The “now you get a free turbo” 500 did better, or at least found its bottom, with a 10% drop to 707. The 500X dropped by 36% but a dramatically improved powertrain on the 2019s may help there (sales were just 358). Finally, the Fiat Spider seems to have found most of its market already, with sales down 26% to 197.

Alfa Romeo is doing better, which must be a relief to many people through FCA. They sold just 11 4Cs, but that’s a pretty specialized car; the mainline Stelvio SUV nearly doubled its November 2017 number, with 1034 sold, and the Giulia posted a healthy 21% gain, to 912. Alfa Romeo needs to do much better to be a success, but the way there is likely incremental gains like these, as the word gets out and happy owners tell their friends.

US sales chart follows.

In Canada: FCA Canada sales were far below their November 2017 numbers, dropping from 19,054 to 12,366 as the company weaned itself off daily-rental sales. Fleet sales were down 49% from November 2017. Overall, FCA gave up a stunning 35% of their sales in Canada, while GM fell by 18% and Ford by 11%. In contrast, Nissan and Toyota had record sales.

Ram was the leader, with 5,679 sales. Jeep had a 4% gain, with 4,038 sales; Dodge sold 2,225 vehicles, and Chrysler was down to a mere 315 (all, one might add, built in Canada); that‘s just about ten cars and minivans per day, across five provinces. Alfa Romeo had a mere 78 sales; the Fiat number was not reported.

Fiat Chrysler sales by model, in the United States (except Maserati)

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#3 ·
patfromigh said:





How do the big fleet orders play into this ? I'm not talking about to rental car companies, but the USPS has bought Ram Promasters and Waymo was to get a bunch of Pacifia PHEV models. I don't know how they tally a large order, whether it's all done at once or distributed across the order's fulfillment.Click to expand...

This text is at the bottom of the offical press releases:
"Fleet sales are recorded upon the shipment of the vehicle by FCA US to the customer or end user."
 
#7 ·
As i commented in the other thread FCA got some bad press with the Federal government only now writing off unpaid bailout debt. I did hear many bitter comments about FCA and some not wanting to support the product. Actually, surprisingly principled however misplaced.

Now the GM thing and a whole city dealing with shut down not long after handout.
I suppose the sales could be worse with wounds being so fresh.
 
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valiant67 said:





I am guessing the Canadian market is more sensitive to rising prices. From what I've seen posted, a lot of the good deals in Canada are no more.Click to expand...

Everyone I've spoken with that has been shopping for cars has mentioned dismissing buying FCA because of the high prices. When you can buy other makes' products better equipped and for thousands less, that's what most people will do.
 
#18 ·
VoiceOfReason said:





Mao Zedong - Wikipedia (at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong ) -
“responsible for vast numbers of deaths with estimates ranging from 30 to 70 million victims.”
And this drives up sales?
Odd . . .Click to expand...

Yeah, actually glad there's no "Chrysler" product any where near Mao. Kinda like the Ford/Hitler connection..

Good for FCA! The product mix is pretty good! I know Amazon is buying a lot of RAM vans for delivery. And they are really nice!
 
#19 ·
BASONE88 said:





Yeah, actually glad there's no "Chrysler" product any where near Mao. Kinda like the Ford/Hitler connection..Click to expand...

Though Ford never seems to have been hurt by it.

The OJ comparison is quite right. “It’s a car associated with a famous person.” Doesn’t matter if that person is Truman, Stalin, or Churchill, indeed, it's probably going to sell better if it's associated with Al Capone than Al Einstein.

I've taken out some argument over Mao and, um, someone I haven't heard of before.
 
#23 ·
tomaz said:





Sad, Chrysler with most of its models having Decreases, still manages to beat or get within a 100 some units of sales of Buick.Click to expand...

Buick is handicapped here currently.

Envision is still expensive to get from China (right?), Encore is outdated, Regal/Sportback are Opels that have no immediate successors planned and may even get a short lifespan, and LaCrosse is dead next year. The Enclave is their only semi-competent vehicle and even its semi-competency is debatable.

Oh, and I forgot about the Cascada, the failure of a convertible that was already half a decade old when it made it to the US. What a surprise that it is not being replaced.

And while I’m on a rant about GM, their recent efforts have been crap, honestly. As a combined CDJR/Chevy dealer, our strategy to sell the 2019 Silverado is basically “don’t show potential Silverado buyers the new Ram.” And now with the new Silverado HD... GM is about to be in a self-inflicted world of hurt. They did not advance any of the categories they compete in with their recent products. The interior materials and infotainment suck, the styling is somewhere between faux-wrecked and fugly, the powertrains are underwhelming, and their vehicles do not excel in any area.

If FCA keeps making strides like they have recently, they are going to pass GM in every measurable way. The only reason I can imagine that GM products are selling is because of customer loyalty which is not an endless well to draw from. They have to actually innovate and all they are doing now is cutting costs and making changes to vehicles without any purpose (a 4-cylinder full size truck that is less efficient than V6 competitors).

At least they fixed the offset steering wheel though. That’ll really teach the competition a lesson.
 
#26 ·
Ryan said:





They have to actually innovate and all they are doing now is cutting costs and making changes to vehicles without any purpose (a 4-cylinder full size truck that is less efficient than V6 competitors).Click to expand...

I'm getting confused with GM's engines. It seems that they go from one idea to another without a logical direction. I remember the Chevy Trailblazer and its corporate cousins having a lineup of new inline motors. There would be 4, 5, and 6 cylinder motors. I think the pickup trucks were supposed to have inline sixes at one point. That didn't last long. What do they have now for pickups, the corporate V6? This new four cylinder is unique to the trucks. That I know of, it doesn't share anything with GM's other four cylinders, not even the all new 2.0 liter four in the Caddy XT4. The Chevy Colorado has a standard four, what size is that?

When Sergio arrived at Chrysler, he clean out a lot of sixes and standardized on the Pentastar V6. The upcoming inline six is rumored to share a lot of parts with the GME series four cylinders. FCA seems to have their engine lineup under control.