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Renegade facelift '23

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#1 ·
I'm sure if you search it you'll find more info on it. It was shown in Brazil.

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Just thought I'd toss that out there.
 
#3 ·
Some minor changes, but overall, the average person will not be able to tell the difference between this and the first models that came out.

But us being Mopar fans, we can see the difference. I do like the headlight changes and while I personally like the shape of the vehicle.... it is really time for a new generation of this thing. It isn't selling like they'd hoped and it's behind the competition in terms of things that people actually want now days, tech, safety, etc.

The Renegade say 15k drop in sales from 2020 to 2021. Overall, sales peaked in 2016 with 106k. We're now at 47k and it has been dropping every year since 2016. Time for a complete overhaul and new generation of the Renegade.
 
#4 ·
Some minor changes, but overall, the average person will not be able to tell the difference between this and the first models that came out.

But us being Mopar fans, we can see the difference. I do like the headlight changes and while I personally like the shape of the vehicle.... it is really time for a new generation of this thing. It isn't selling like they'd hoped and it's behind the competition in terms of things that people actually want now days, tech, safety, etc.

The Renegade say 15k drop in sales from 2020 to 2021. Overall, sales peaked in 2016 with 106k. We're now at 47k and it has been dropping every year since 2016. Time for a complete overhaul and new generation of the Renegade.
I didn't care much for the renegade when it first came out because of the front end. This minor facelift makes it at least 2x better to me.
 
#15 ·
I am more concerned why they haven't offered the 1.3T in the Compass than whether they drop the base engine in the Renegade. They just need to make the 1.3T a standalone option for any trim. Where is this 1.5T we have heard about? Why do they keep spending on Brazil when the US is their profit center?
 
#27 ·
I had two open tabs, and kept flipping between the two. There aren’t huge differences, but that’s nothing that replacing the vehicle with a new model couldn’t fix. Lol. Isn’t it due for a replacement, it feels like it’s been around forever, and not in a good way?

I must admit I‘ve never been a fan of Renegade, it’s my least favorite Jeep, the styling is cartoonish IMO. No offense to anyone here who owns one, or just purchased one (as I now take my foot out of my mouth).
 
#37 ·
You can get a stickshift Corolla, not a base model, nicely equipped. I thought about it, but it's a bit underpowered and dealers refuse to order any, so there's no test drive. I'm still driving the 1.4T Dart. (I did test a Civic Si which I probably should have switched to, and a Kia which was surprisingly good, but not better enough than the Dart to be worth the money for me personally.)

I'm generally Chrysler loyal, as our home fleet shows, but they don't sell a small car with a stick any more.
 
#38 ·
I love my old Mopars, but I've been displeased with my Chryslers over the long run since the 99' Intrepid. They're just costing me too much money and time in what are in my opinion very unnecessary breakdowns. I wish I could say differently. Maybe I don't have the money to buy their "good stuff" but even if I did, the last 20 years of laying under them doesn't give me the confidence to borrow $60,000+ for another one.

I gave up on brand loyalty a long time ago. I'm as loyal to Chrysler (or any other company including my employer) as they are to me. You probably know how much that is 😉
 
#51 ·
David are you sure South America is not profitable. Why retreat when they are doing quite well there.
I say retreat from Italy if anywhere.
I never said it was not profitable. It has had profitable and unprofitable years in the recent past. What LATAM has been at its best in the recent past is an order of magnitude less profitable than former Chrysler in the US and former Peugeot in Europe are now. It is taking the reasoning of killing the Dart and 200 and applying it in the location it actually makes sense. Stellantis doesn't need to be selling 0 star death trap cars in Brazil, they add relatively little to the corporate bottom line, while being a giant PR corporate responsibility black eye, easily offsetting globally any local goodwill derived from being the sales volume leader in the market by selling cheap junk. It is dumb to be spending a lot of money on unique platform vehicles for a single low margin market, that money would be much better spent on adapting small and medium platforms to actually become global by selling in the US and China in addition to Europe. LATAM doesn't have to be losing money to make investing there instead of in the US a dumb idea, it just has to be making a lot less money.
 
#60 ·
And that's why they should base the next Cherokee on a Jeep platform. That way the FWD/AWD platforms can be Dodge or Chrysler. They honestly could've fixed it already. The two row could've been the Cherokee and the three row Grand Cherokee. But no, they are all about max margins even if the public in this class of vehicle is all about 7 passenger capabilities.
 
#61 ·
There are multiple classes here. The present Cherokee is in the compact class.

All the Jeep SUVs and the competition that sells better than Grand Cherokee
2 door Wrangler 96.8" WB
Renegade 101.2" WB
Compass 103.8" WB
CR-V 104.7" WB
RAV4 105.9" WB
Rogue 106.5" WB
Cherokee 106.5" WB

Jeep Brazil/China Commander/ Grand Commander 110.0/110.2"
Highlander 112.2" This is the size missing at Jeep in the US.

WK Grand Cherokee 114.8" WB
Grand Cherokee 116.7" WB
4 door Wrangler 118.4" WB
Grand Cherokee L 121.7" WB

Dodge needs to be the division competing with CR-V, RAV4, Rogue and Highlander at 102.4", 106.3", 110.2" and 114.2". The AWD hybrids can be the "international" Jeeps. These go on Peugeot EMP2 replacing Renegade, Compass, Cherokee and Commander/Grand Commander.

The old WK is still offered for 2022. Maybe just make that the Cherokee for the traditional Jeep crowd. Or did you want a "Grand Cherokee S" to be the Cherokee, shortening the Grand Cherokee to a 112" wheelbase, same as the Highlander? That doesn't introduce a new platform which they can't afford to do.
 
#62 ·
They could use the old WK, but I fear that the new two row will take a 3rd row seat compared to the L. They could've decontented the new two row some and lower the price, call it the new Cherokee. I just saw a new WL two row that is 71k. That's insane. The highest L that the dealer currently has is 62k. Who in their right mind would give up that kinda volume for 9k.
 
#77 · (Edited)
Jeep is the SUV brand.

Arguably, renegade v Buick are not really cross shopped. Their styling is very different, the lifestyle they chase is different too. I don't think Jeep needs to try to corner every SUV market share. The renegade is a beginner Jeep, and it's not a bad one. It's just not what everyone wants or needs.

I bought a used trailhawk a week ago. So far, so good. All I've read on the various groups is a few little electrical things and how good this thing is in snow, and they're not even all Trailhawk.

We just wish our old one could upgrade to uconnect 5. Lol

Chrysler.. they haven't figured out other than they're trying to to keep it. We don't know what direction they're going and the airflow concept was probably a design language test. And a "we're not dead yet" lol
 
#78 ·
Jeep is the SUV brand.

Arguably, renegade v Buick are not really cross shopped. Their styling is very different, the lifestyle they chase is different too. I don't think Jeep needs to try to corner every SUV market share. The renegade is a beginner Jeep, and it's not a bad one. It's just not what everyone wants or needs.

I bought a used trailhawk a week ago. So far, so good. All I've read on the various groups is a few little electrical things and how good this thing is in snow, and they're not even all Trailhawk.

We just wish our old one could upgrade to uconnect 5. Lol

Chrysler.. they haven't figured out other than they're trying to to keep it. We don't know what direction they're going and the airflow concept was lovely a design language test. And a "we're not dead yet" lol
Yes Jeep is the SUV brand so I don't see the need to muddle the waters by adding a SUV or crossover to the Chrysler brand. It's just gonna confuse the buyers more as to what they are.
 
#85 ·
The problem is Wrangler.

You can't do the same design but smaller with the Wrangler like you can with the Grand Cherokee design. It would make Wrangler less desirable, because if you can't afford the big one, you can get the smaller one. Wrangler is peak Jeep. They want to keep it that way, even if the masses/purists want all Jeeps with Wrangler capability.

So what do you do?
Make a trim level of every Jeep more capable off-road than any other car in it's class. Trailhawk.

Trailhawks are pretty good off-road. Some people love them, purists hate them, but nobody is going to say their cr-v is going to out perform it off-road; at least not stock v stock. Laugh and point, but it gets the job done. What brand do you see get brought out more in winter than in summer? Jeep.

I argue that they are doing things exactly right. I still would love to see a renegade-based quad-cab baby truck along the lines of Maverick. Maybe not use Comanche for the name though. 🤔
 
#86 ·
The problem is Wrangler.

You can't do the same design but smaller with the Wrangler like you can with the Grand Cherokee design. It would make Wrangler less desirable, because if you can't afford the big one, you can get the smaller one. Wrangler is peak Jeep. They want to keep it that way, even if the masses/purists want all Jeeps with Wrangler capability.

So what do you do?
Make a trim level of every Jeep more capable off-road than any other car in it's class. Trailhawk.

Trailhawks are pretty good off-road. Some people love them, purists hate them, but nobody is going to say their cr-v is going to out perform it off-road; at least not stock v stock. Laugh and point, but it gets the job done. What brand do you see get brought out more in winter than in summer? Jeep.

I argue that they are doing things exactly right. I still would love to see a renegade-based quad-cab baby truck along the lines of Maverick. Maybe not use Comanche for the name though. 🤔
There already is a cheap Wrangler, 2 doors and a subcompact car wheelbase, it's the one real purists want.

Trailhawks are right for Jeep, but Jeep ought to at least mean as much as Subaru and be all AWD. Dodge and Chrysler need FWD/AWD SUVs to compete with Honda/Toyota/Nissan and Acura/Lexus/Infiniti respectively, the little Jeeps just aren't competitive with them. Not giving SUVs to Dodge and Chrysler is all kinds of wrong in a market that is half SUV.
 
#91 ·
I hang around with a lot of hard core Jeepers. I’m not one by the way. I never go much beyond better slightly larger tires. The idea these serious Jeep people prefer the 2 door for its shorter length just isn’t true anymore. Most all the recent big builds are the 4 doors and an increasing number are Gladiators.
 
#92 ·
There are really two groups of hard core Jeepers. The older "Eastern" one that goes back 60+ years likes the narrow and short Jeep that can go where a wide and long pickup can't, often between trees. The newer "Western" one likes the illegal in 20 states mini monster truck with tires sticking outside the bodywork that make it pickup truck wide and quite tall. They both can go places that the other kind can't. Read the off road magazines and they will be filled with "Western" style trucks and stories about off roading in the west.